Bernie's In

@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

this is just so odd to see

RABEL222 wrote:
ultra liberal like Bernie.

Mr. Sanders is a liberal, but he'd barely be left of centre in a number of first world countries. I guess this demonstrates how far to the right the entire US has moved.

All too unfortunately true.

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@ehBeth,

I have noticed some pretty straightforward posts have been getting thumbs downs but I thought there may have been something which someone here really disagreed with and I was curious as to what it was.

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Bernie Sanders IS perceived to be an ultra liberal...and the comments noting he would barely be considered left of center in many other developed countries are right on the mark.

That is part of the reason I say he CANNOT win in the General Election. This country is simply not ready for someone perceived the way he is.

I seriously doubt...and even more seriously hope...he cannot win in the primaries either. His name at the head of the Dem ticket would be a disaster for the Dems...this country...and by extension, the world.

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@Frank Apisa,

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he CANNOT win in the General Election. This country is simply not ready for someone perceived the way he is.

Maybe he can change that perception somewhat. All it would take is a good, punchy campaign... Remember that a guy called Barack was recently elected, pretty much against all odds. Nothing is impossible in politics.

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Jimmy Carter is another good example.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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he CANNOT win in the General Election. This country is simply not ready for someone perceived the way he is.

Maybe he can change that perception somewhat. All it would take is a good, punchy campaign... Remember that a guy called Barack was recently elected, pretty much against all odds. Nothing is impossible in politics.

I agree...nothing is impossible. I acknowledge that I overstated the situation in my argument...and I apologize for that mistake.

I do, however, think it highly unlikely that he can be elected here, Olivier. Not with the general perception that he is as far left as he is perceived to be.

And taking the chance in this next election...giving the right total control of the country...perhaps stacking the SCOTUS...is an unacceptable gamble for me.

If others feel otherwise, I accept that I am not infallible...and they can do what they want. I will just voice my concerns as forcefully as I can. I hope I am doing it will reason and respect.

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@edgarblythe,

All of those are good examples.

But take it from President Barry Goldwater...or President George McGovern...taking a chance is taking a chance.

If it doesn't pay off...the price to be paid is enormous.

But each person has to make his/her own decisions on this...and go with what feels right for you.

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I like Bernie. I like the way he thinks and talks. I support this candidate.

Bernie Sanders Speaks

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In his most revealing interview, the socialist presidential candidate sets out his vision for America . . . .

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If Sanders were to get the DNC nod, we'd hear the word "socialist" every single day until Nov '16. I'd guess we'd hear "admitted socialist" frequently as well.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I do, however, think it highly unlikely that he can be elected here, Olivier. Not with the general perception that he is as far left as he is perceived to be.

If his campaign can change the perception in the US about socialism, and make it "legitimate discourse", it may be worth it even if the chances of winning are low. One need not hope in order to undertake, nor succeed in order to persevere.

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@Olivier5,

To me, he is where center should be. Not where it is, but should be.

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@edgarblythe,

The house is conservative and will remain so in 2016. MAYBE the senate will become slightly more democratic in 2016 but many dont think so. It is imperative that we elect a democratic president. Bernie couldent get anything past the house even if he were elected president which I believe he is too ultra liberal to do. If you want a more liberal government work on electing democratic house members who dont owe their living to the Koch brothers. Try to remove those rose colored glasses and look at the real world. And for christ sakes remember Bush and Ronny Raygun and what great guys they seemed to be BEFORE they were elected to the presidency.

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@thack45,

thack45 wrote:

If Sanders were to get the DNC nod, we'd hear the word "socialist" every single day until Nov '16. I'd guess we'd hear "admitted socialist" frequently as well.

We would be hearing the words "admitted socialist" damn near every minute until Election Day!

I love the guy and his ideas...and I hope the day comes when the people of the United States realize that we have to move in his direction.

But I am of the opinion that day is not now...not even close to now.

If he gets the nod...and I do not think he has a chance of getting it...it will be a disaster for the Dem Party, the country, and the world. The most extreme right wing segment of the Republican Party will solidify their position. They've managed to make the word "liberal" become a notion of scorn and contempt...I don't even want to think of what they will do if given control of the congress, the White House, and the SCOTUS.

But...if you disagree with that...offer him all the support you can.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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I do, however, think it highly unlikely that he can be elected here, Olivier. Not with the general perception that he is as far left as he is perceived to be.

If his campaign can change the perception in the US about socialism, and make it "legitimate discourse", it may be worth it even if the chances of winning are low. One need not hope in order to undertake, nor succeed in order to persevere.

IF!

This is the makings of a disaster! But everyone has to make up his/her mind on it...and I wish everyone best of luck doing that.

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@RABEL222,

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And for christ sakes remember Bush and Ronny Raygun and what great guys they seemed to be BEFORE they were elected to the presidency.

I found this so wrong it's funny. Don't overstate your case...

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@Frank Apisa,

No risk, no gain... You can't expect people to always live in fear of a repuke catastrophe and never try anything to break their hold on the political mindset of the nation. Dems have spoken and behaved as republicans for far too long and it's high time they propose something different. Primary voters will decide if they want to play it safe or try a long shot.

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@RABEL222,

I never thought of either Bush as a great enough guy to be president. And after being fooled by Reagan at first, I voted for Mondale next time around. People disparaging Bernie's character after all the lulus we have had and apparently are going to have baffle me.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

No risk, no gain... You can't expect people to always live in fear of a repuke catastrophe and never try anything to break their hold on the political mindset of the nation. Dems have spoken and behaved as republicans for far too long and it's high time they propose something different. Primary voters will decide if they want to play it safe or try a long shot.

The sky is falling if we get a little backbone.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

No risk, no gain... You can't expect people to always live in fear of a repuke catastrophe and never try anything to break their hold on the political mindset of the nation. Dems have spoken and behaved as republicans for far too long and it's high time they propose something different. Primary voters will decide if they want to play it safe or try a long shot.

If you think the risk is worth it, Olivier...vote for him...if you are a voter.

I've said that several times.

I've also said I think he does not have a chance to get the nod from the Dems...and if by some sad, sad chance he does, he will lose by a huge margin...and the country will be much the worse for the dream.

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@Olivier5,

In your opinion you find this funny. I find it scarry as hell that some people still find these two losers to be heros.

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