spendius
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2005 05:09 pm
I just did.

Don't you keep up?
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aidan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2005 05:11 pm
no, I mean where we could control it somewhat. I could go back and rewrite our old thing- you know edit the posts I edited again?

Are you into that at all? Feel free to be honest. I'll live either way.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2005 05:17 pm
Anything you fancy kiddo.

I'm game.You name it.

What do I know?
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aidan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2005 05:19 pm
I don't know - you tell me.



Do anything fun today?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2005 05:24 pm
It's only 24 minutes old.Give it a chance.

This next bit might be fun if I dream of the ladies on the threads in their most perfect manifestations.

Don't you agree?
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aidan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2005 06:56 pm
yeah, well...., maybe not. I wouldn't want to run into any trouble by offending someone who thought they were being characterized in a way they felt uncomfortable with or leave any room for doubt or misinterpretation. Do you get what I'm saying? Maybe we should just stick to purely made up characters to be on the safe side. That of course does not mean that you have to stop dreaming about them in any way, shape or form, however. Feel free to dream away...


Pure fiction leaves less room for misinterpretation and is always safer than satire, don't you agree?
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 06:08 am
I find satire the only acceptable form of literary expression outside of such things as train timetables.Mailer talks of "safety" as cowardice.One does have to not mind offending people.If they do the ostrich on you it will save you further trouble down the line.

Going back a few days for the benefit of those threaders who thought I was a nut or something worse I would like to quote a few words from the principle article on the leader page of The Sunday Times,July 10,written by Simon Jenkins who some think is our best journalist.

"But why then the stomach-churning media hyperbole that surrounds these incidents?It is one thing to report,another to wallow in grief pornography as if the bomb itself were a celebrity.Such massive publicity feeds terror's first objective and incites its second."

I prefer "toe-curling" to "stomach churning".

"How does one include Lauzan's "jaunty step" without offending puritans?
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theollady
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 08:19 am
Maybe those you deem puritanical are not so easily offended. They have the option to pass on by just as you do, or Lauzan does, hmmm?


Do you agree being comically satirical does not have to be
blatantly offensive?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 08:38 am
I agree ollady, being offensive has nothing to do with satire.
It seems that consideration and politeness has gone out
the windows anyway these days.

I wonder what we do wrong?
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theollady
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 08:42 am
Perhaps viewing things from a cynical mindset--being to opinionated.


We can be more tolerant, can we not?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 08:47 am
Yes we can! At least I am trying to teach my child to
be more tolerant, which is not that easy, by the way.
I didn't know that children are not tolerant to begin
with Mr. Green

Do you agree that men are more cynical than women?
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theollady
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 09:07 am
For the most part, in my experience. However:

if I were in an organizational setting, with women in significant positions of authority and responsibility all around me- I might find it to be more equal. I believe that demanding higher levels of accuracy and proficiency from a person, might make them more cynical, man or woman.

Men are more challenged to be absolutely right, do you agree?
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aidan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 09:50 am
spendius wrote:
I find satire the only acceptable form of literary expression outside of such things as train timetables.Mailer talks of "safety" as cowardice.One does have to not mind offending people.If they do the ostrich on you it will save you further trouble down the line.


I prefer "toe-curling" to "stomach churning".

"How does one include Lauzan's "jaunty step" without offending puritans?


I am not worried about offending puritans. I would only be worried about being misread or misinterpreted, because I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings or embarrass anyone. Humor is very subjective. What some find humorous can be extremely hurtful to others. But I will let you devise your own characters, and I'll devise mine. What I write, will be totally from my imagination, and I will let you use characterizations and tidbits that you pick up in your day to day life to illuminate your writing, fair enough?

Oh, and satire is in no way the only acceptable form of literary expression. It may the one that you most prefer, but what does that have to do with all the tea in China?

And yes, I prefer toe-curling to stomach churning, and I definitely think we should keep the jauntiness in Lauzan's step and the mischievous glint in Lady Isabella's eye.


And yes, ollady, I agree - they're always itching for a fight.

Why do you think that is? Do you think it's all to do with testosterone?
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 10:46 am
Tolerant of what?How about intolerable behaviour.
It is just another spectrum where people can define perfect tolerance any way they wish.Jesus was tolerant.

People pick a place on the spectrum where they think they are, in mood X,define that as tolerance and then claim they are tolerant.That's just playing with words for the purpose of self congratulation.

When Lauzan followed the maid with a "jaunty step" the writer had casual adultery in mind for his hero.The writer's attitude to that will be seen in the ultimate fate he dishes out for Lauzan.But the idea would upset puritans.Of course you can read past it quick if you like but that's not really reading.

The whole point of satire is to be offensive which is a word with another spectrum.

Is that any clearer?
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 10:52 am
A quote from the Mendip wraith.

Why do you think that is? Do you think it's all to do with testosterone?

Oh no.Not that old chestnut again.Give something mysterious a name,a scientific one for preference,and before you know it people start thinking they know what it is.

Do you know what testosterone is?
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devriesj
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 10:56 am
testosterone: A white crystalline steroid hormone, produced primarily in the testes and responsible for the development and maintenance of male secondary sex characteristics. It is also produced synthetically for use in medical treatment.

How's that or were you looking for a more esoteric description?
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 11:02 am
Yes I was devvie.

Have you got one?
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devriesj
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 11:04 am
Hmm. I suppose I haven't thought THAT much about it. I may ponder it on the back burner, though.

Being male yourself would you have an insight yourself?
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 11:09 am
No.I'm just me.

Do I have a testosterone quotient?
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aidan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 11:25 am
spendius wrote:
Tolerant of what?How about intolerable behaviour.
It is just another spectrum where people can define perfect tolerance any way they wish.Jesus was tolerant.
Quote:

I agree, people are usually tolerant of what makes them comfortable and intolerant of what makes them uncomfortable. It's a very relative, subjective term. The test is how they are able to tolerate that which they find uncomfortable for them, not just for others.

Quote:
When Lauzan followed the maid with a "jaunty step" the writer had casual adultery in mind for his hero.The writer's attitude to that will be seen in the ultimate fate he dishes out for Lauzan.But the idea would upset puritans.Of course you can read past it quick if you like but that's not really reading.

How would that have been casual adultery? Had it been established that either of them were married? I've been thinking of Lauzan as single this whole time - and the maid as well, actually. I chose to bypass that scenario for the more interesting and challenging conquest scenario of Lauzan and Lady Isabella. Were you disappointed with that literary decision? If so, I wish you had told me - that's why we have that thread, so we can discuss and make changes - you can tell me which direction you want me to take - I'll be open to discussing it with you - and as has been shown over and over again - I'm very tolerant to suggestion.

I do know what testosterone is. I've experienced it on many occasions. It can be wonderful - and it can be extremely annoying and troublesome.

But what would we all do without it?


*Mendip wraith - I like it. Laughing
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