We Bombed the Wrong Side

You call my fertility rates bullsh*t huh.

http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph-T/peo_tot_fer_rat∫=-1

That's not what the problem is about, as I noted above.

swolf wrote:

That's not what the problem is about, as I noted above.

That's why the "No Bullshit" sign right? I do think you should be careful with any premature conclusions. Yes, local Albanian-Kosovo leaders have pointed at 'the power of the penis' as one of your articles stated. Yes, fertility rates seem to be high (although there is only one source who gives a number, much lower than 10, and from 1998, although I do believe UN figures are correct).

What people ARE talking about and what I noticed people from several surrounding countries complaining about in 98 - 99, was a deliberate policy of ensconsing themselves in little corners of other people's countries...

Albanians were given majority rule of Kosovo in the 1960's by
Tito in order to act as a hegemon to the power of Serbia. Under
independent rule, the region was able to make available an Albanian
curriculum and Albanian culture grew in importance. Economically,
however, Kosovo was still suffering since whatever gains the economy
made were outdone by the gains in population made by the Albanian
Muslims who averaged six to eight children per family.

What people ARE talking about and what I noticed people from several surrounding countries complaining about in 98 - 99, was a deliberate policy of ensconsing themselves in little corners of other people's countries, doing their breeding thing for twenty years until they represent some local majority in the little corner

The UN could just as easily step in and demand that we hand California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and Texas straight over to Mexico on the same basis, and I would guess that we'll see that within the next five years if something isn't done.

Then there was the terror factor. The methods used by the Albanians to drive others out of the province were totally brutal:

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ddj/Kosovo/articles/Binder87NYT.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~sarant_2/ksm.html

Then you had large numbers of Albanians fleeing the Albanian government, which was reputedly one of the two or three most messed up in the commie world. By some accounts, as many as a third to half the Kosovars in 99 might have been illegal immigrants.

Then you had Tito (another croatian) making a deliberate effort to weaken Serbian nationalism by a deliberate policy of moving Serbs out of Kosovo.

Kosovo has been a part of Serbia since the early middle ages.

There were, until after the NATO action and the takeover by Kosovars, hundreds of orthodox shrines, monasteries, and churches in the province, many priceless art treasures, all of which have been ruined by the kosovars by now.

Again, in my view, the precedent of Kosovo cannot be allowed to stand. The precedent says that ethnicity is now everything, and things like History, sovereignty, and rightful ownership no longer mean anything.

A number like that wouldn't figure to change much but it doesn't sound like something anybody ever got a terribly good read on. I have seen figures more like eight to ten in the nineties.

And that, of course, is your view only in Kosovo. When Serbs occupied almost third of historic croatian territory then you probably had different views. Kosovo=Krajina (historic serbian territory with albanian majority = historic croatian territory with serbian majority /with addition that Serbs occupied several villages, towns and cities in Croatia with absolute croatian majority as well/), and while I would completely disagree with you if you would try to persuade people that Kosovo should be albanian territory and Krajina serbian territory, in that case you would be at least consistent and fair.
This way you are just obsessed with Serbs.

LETTER TO THE EDITOR

By Stella L. Jatras, The American Legion, 7 October 1998

Perhaps your readers should be told just who our GIs are protecting in Bosnia ("Second to None," Jordan goes to Bosnia, October 1998).

(Tuzla) Army Col. Gregory Fontenot reportedly turned to two black soldiers in his brigade and said" "It'll be interesting to hear what you see because the Croatians are racists...They kill people for the color of their skins." (The Washington Times, Dec. 29, 1995). Last year, Croatians greeted German troops with the offensive "Sieg Heil." (Newsweek 6, Jan. 1997). Apparently, bad habits are hard to break.

"A German tank rolls through a small village, and the peasants rush out, lining the road with their right arm raised in Nazi salute as they chanted "Heil Hitler." Mobs chased minorities from their homes, kicking them, and pelting them with eggs as they flee into the woods. Europe in the 1942s? No Croatia in the 1990s." (The Washington Times, 15 June 1997) . From the Evening Standard of London, 7 August 1995, "Victory smiles that hide the roots of evil, Edward Pearce writes, "but you can understand Croatia best by saying flatly that if there is one place in the world where a statue of Adolf Hitler would be revered, it would be in Zagreb." And from the International Herald Tribune, 4 September 1995, "Croatia Eradicates Traces of its Serbs, Army Loots and Burns Krajina Homes."

With US military aid and technology and training by the Military Professional Resources, Inc., (MPRI) Croatian forces "ethnically cleansed" over 250,000 Serbs from their ancestral Krajina land (the largest exodus since WWII), slaughtered over 5,000, and those too elderly or infirm to flee remained only to have their throats slit or a bullet to the back of the head. Furthermore, Croatian jets bombed and strafed fleeing refugees without one word of condemnation from the "civilized" world.

Did you know that in 1992, Croatian troops attacked Canadian forces (the Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry) and engaged them in some of their worst battles since the Korean War? This battle, known as the Battle of the Medak pocket, was kept from the Canadian people for over four years. The Canadian troops were trying to stop the further slaughter of over 1,000 Serbian men, women and children by Croatian forces. Croats wanted to delay the Canadians to enable their ethnic cleansing units to finish their killing and looting [of Serbs].. Fourteen plastic bags of Serbian body parts of children were discovered. (The Ottawa Citizen, Oct. 7, 1996. A color photo which accompanied the article showed the leader of the Canadian peacekeepers, with the caption, "Lt. Col Jim Calvin, left, had to calm his outraged soldiers after they discovered the carnage." Have you even heard about these battles between Croatian and Canadian forces? I seriously doubt it. (see my letter to The Washington Times, 10 May 1998)

Over one million Serbs, Jews and Gypsies were exterminated in Croatians death camps (with the help of their Bosnian Muslim allies), so brutally that even Hitler's SS were disgusted.

To the editors of the American Legion, I say shame, for not telling the American people the truth, that their sons and daughters are in Bosnia to protect the same racist Croatian State that had allied itself with Hitler during WWII.

As for Bosnia, the enclosed attachments speak for themselves. I leave you with the following quotes:

"Want to start a war? Better yet, want the U.S., Britain, France, NATO, the United Nations on your side? Call in the cameras...it lies in those magic initials CNN, NBC, BBC..." (Financial Times [London] 11 July 1998.

"Pictures of dead or wounded (or raped) Serbs often fill the screens of the world's television and print media, only to be re-labeled as dead or wounded or raped Croats or Muslims. Many Serb victims not only suffer the indignity of defeat in death; they also are used in death as models in the macabre image manipulation operations of the Croatian and Muslim Bosnians. If the Vietnam War was lost to the United States by the negative television images of its own reporters, then the Balkan war against the Serbs is being won...by an active planned manipulation of international television." (Gregory R. Copley, Editor, Defence & Foreign Affairs Strategic Policy [London], December, 1992.)

"This organized anti-Serb and pro-Muslim propaganda should cause anyone believing in democracy and free speech serious concerns. It recalls Hitler's propaganda against the allies in WWII. Facts are twisted and, when convenient, disregarded." (Yohanan Ramati, Director of the Jerusalem Institute for Western Defence.)

In 1941, Hitler bombed Belgrade. America is now preparing to bomb Belgrade again in violation of our own laws. Serbia is the example to the rest of the world of what happens to a small nation that defies the New World Order. Over 500 downed American pilots were rescued by Serb nationalists in WWII while Croatians and Bosnian Muslims were turning our airmen over to the Germans. For their heroism and sacrifices, America is rewarding the Serbian people with bombs, the result of a calculating, biased, one-sided anti-Serb, pro-Muslim media and politicians with a political agenda.

I don't expect this letter, or any part of it, to reach your readers. Politically Incorrect letters are rarily published, especially when there is an agenda to withhold the truth from the American people.

Although I am not a veteran, I am the wife of a veteran of 30 years who was a "fighter" pilot. And that is what I am, sir, a "fighter," for the truth. For over six years I have been fighting to bring the truth to the American people and I will never stop, for what we are doing to the Serbian people is the real sin in the eyes of God.

Our kids are in Bosnia under false pretense. President Clinton lied to get our kids involved in someone elses civil war. My hero, my husband, is as disgusted as I am with the conning of the American people by this Commander in Chief. (Some Commander!) .

Just what have we accomplished in Bosnia? We have become the mid-wife to the rebirth of the neo-fascist, ethically pure state of Croatia that Hitler had only promised. In Bosnia, Saudi Arabia wanted an Islamic state in the belly of Europe and we wanted Saudi oil and money. It all boils down to G-R-E-E-D. American Greed. Islamic terrorists are being trained in Bosnia and in Kosovo, their object is to go into Europe and commit their terrorists acts.

WE have become the bully of the world. WE have become the "enforcer." (You either live by our rules, or you die). WE have become the Evil Empire. At least the Soviet made no pretense of what they were. The evil we are perpetuating against the Serbian people is being done under the guise of democracy, which makes us far more dangerous than the Soviets ever were.

To the Editors. If the American Legion is not concerned with the lives of our GIs by the mere fact of not wanting to know the truth of how they got there, it is an injustice to the wives, sons and daughters of those who have been sent to defend a fascist nation and an Islamic fundamentalist one. What is presented here is only a small portion of what has been withheld from the American people. I strongly suggest you read the enclosed information, if for no other reason than to help you to understand the impact of US involvement in the Balkans and the effect it has on our kids who are being sent into harms way. Had the American people been told the truth from the beginning, our kids wouldn't be there today.

letter to the editor? you are funnier then even I thought. I guess only cav knew that one