What are Confederates proud of?

Sure is in any area of the US with a large German-American population after all he lost his life trying to end the war by killing Hitler.

If that have occur hundreds of thousands or more people on all sides would had not died in the last part of the war.

Along with building rockets that was manufacture with slave labor and killed tens of thousands during WW2.

So let's name a school after him.

Or go off on 1000 tangents.....

I grew up down there. Made my escape at the earliest possible opportunity. I was raised to be intensely proud of being a Southerner. Nobody ever mentioned exactly what it was that we were supposed to be proud of. Just a blind sort of patriotism. (There's the feeling by many down there that they seceeded and should be a different country.) I waved the Stars and Bars until I figured out how much of a symbol of racism it was/is. That was enough of that. One thing I never figured out was racism. Couldn't see how anybody could look down on somebody else just because of skin color. Had to keep my opinion about that to myself, of course.

Like any other humans there is a lot to be proud of in the Southern heritage and a lot to be ashamed of also, but without the south and the leadership from the south the US would not have likely had come into being.

As a Northern who ancestors fought on the Northern side during the civil war, I still can not identify with the nonsense that due to the history of racism and slavery that all the good points of the south should be overlook.

There is nothing evil or shameful in taking some pride in the achievements of the south including the skills and the courage of the southern military during the civil war.

I agree. However, the blind patriotism that I grew up in insisted on 100% praise of the South, with severe recrimination for anyone who expressed anything to the contrary.

But we have produced some good writers, pretty decent presidents and humanitarians. I'm not 100% dissing the South; just dissing the blind patriotism and willful ignorance parts.

I have no problem with some balance but the poster of this thread is trying to sell the idea that it is wrong to have some pride in the achievements of the south including the southern military and that is as wrong or more wrong then blind praise of the south, at least in my opinion.

Not from the south - but knowing many people from the south and especially as I almost moved down there and had to travel there for work quite a bit....I simply took it as pride of being a southerner. For the majority - the sane nice polite southerners I dealt with -- would not be proud of slavery.

To me it seemed more just a cultural thing like their southern food and their manners and such y'all. Southerners -- most -- are actually very nice, polite and not racists. Not all are as many quoted here -- rednecks.

I guess us northerners in a sense can be just as biased and prejudiced as what you are claiming on the southerners.

That seems about right. Yeah, balance is a good thing. The South has had its share of brain farts (look at Florida, fer chrissakes), but it doesn't deserve to be treated as a worthless non-contributor to American culture, economics or general advancement. The OP is clearly slanted.

http://www.biography.com/people/groups/southerners

Where do I go to get a refund for the time I wasted reading this thread?

Try Dr. Who. Or Marty McFly.

Both BillRM and FarmerJohn have taken their revenge on the English by routinely butchering our language.

I can't watch, it's just too horrible.

Thanks.

Ah-hahahahahahahahahahaha . . . persisting in nearly suicidal stupidity is hardly to be considered a skill, and courage in the destruction of one's own military forces doesn't deserve to be considered praiseworthy.

That **** cracks me up.

LOL do you know anything about the civil war?

Lee in fact almost did the impossible and won southern independent with his two large scale invasions of the North.

Ah-hahahahahahaha . . .

After squandering thousands of troops in the Seven Days Battle, Lee eventually invaded Maryland. At Malvern Hill alone, there were nearly 8000 casualties. Daniel Harvey Hill remarked: "It was not war, it was murder." First, Jackson went off to Cedar Mountain, where he managed to stave off disaster, and blamed it on A. P. Hill. During Second Manassas, Jackson's troops were reduced to literally throwing rocks at the Yankees before Longstreet arrived, and Pope's army was scattered. The Lee invaded Maryland, split his army almost fatally, and suffered the "victory" at Antietam. Fortunately for Lee, McClellan was even more incompetent than he, and launched his three major attacks one at a time. A competent commander like George Thomas would have crushed Lee's army and swept them into the Potomac with a single coordinated attack.

At Chancellorsville, Lee wasted more lives in useless attacks on Federal positions after May 1. Most of his more than 12,000 casualties (which the South could ill afford) were suffered after Jackson and Hill were wounded, and Stuart took over the II Corps to launch one needless attack after the other. Lee then lead his army to Gettysburg where he faced an enemy with 22,000 more men, and squandered more than 23,000 solciers, more than 14,000 of them killed, and more total casualties than Meade's army.

You've swallowed that old Lee hagiography bullshit hook, line and sinker. I'm not surprised, you have always shown yourself to have, at best, a shallow grasp of historical realities.

Sorry no general in history is perfect but compared to anyone other then Grant on the Northern side he was far superior and once more came close to winning the war.

Next the only reason that Grant was able to deal with him in the end was his willingness to keep throwing overwhelming numbers of troops at Lee that Lee could not match.

Grant at times lost more men to Lee then was under Lee command and he still kept coming.

I went looking for this state called Florida on my map, and dang blast it, I sure'n heck swears I caint find it anywheres north of that there Mason and Dixon line. I was worried my southern education twasn't worth a confederate dollar. Then low and behold, I found it all the way SOUTH of Georgia.

They musta moved it down there when the OP twarnt lookin.

You always say sorry, but if you were, you'd go educated yourself and stop posting the bullshit you do. Your ignorance is your stupidity, because you are too ignorant to realize just how ignorant you are.

In your post with the completely irrelevant quote of Wellington, you allege that Lee twice invaded the North, as though that were any accomplishment. In 1862, he crossed the Potomac, marched north to Frederick, Maryland, and then turned west, moving away from Washington, Baltimore and Philadelphia. Not only did he just barely escape losing his army at Antietam, he at no time threatened the real security of the United States. In 1863, when he arrived at Gettysburg, he was even farther away from Washington, Baltimore and Philadelphia than he had been in 1862. The then managed to get more than 20% of his army shot down dead, on the spot--that doesn't include the wounded who later died or were too maimed to return to service. At no time did he threaten the real security of the United States.

I didn't say a word about Grant, and all you've got is a feeble approximation of a tu quoque fallacy. It doesn't matter how bad the competition was, Lee was no damned gooc--he certainly does not deserve the overblown reputation which is accorded him, and the repetition of which shows just how little you know. You're a perfect example of the saying that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You don't know **** about this subject.