What good does religion offer the world today?

What I'm saying is that there was no rebellion on the part of Adam & Eve. Satan's rebellion happened long before that.

Isn't disobedience rebellion

When did Satan's rebellion occur?

@Leadfoot,
So, the god creates two people. These two people are allowed to eat of the fruit of any tree they want, except for one--the tree of knowledge. The god tells them that if they eat of the fruit of that tree, they will know good and evil and they will die. Now, if up to that point there was no rebellion, who would know what evil is, since it didn’t exist at the time?

Also, why would the god put something in the garden, only to prohibit the eating of it? Who was it for? Frank is right; it was a sting. It was entrapment.

If, on the other hand, the rebellion took place before the god created the two people, why did the god create them, knowing that the rebellious angel was lurking and free to exert influence on the two people, thus tripping them up?

According to the story, what it the penalty for rebellion?

God offered them a choice, live forever in ignorance or 'know' and then die. . .

. . . the context of the story implies that Satan was around already before God made Adam & Eve and so Satan's creation and his rebellion along with a bunch of other angels must have occured long before that.

So, the god creates two people. These two people are allowed to eat of the fruit of any tree they want, except for one--the tree of knowledge. The god tells them that if they eat of the fruit of that tree, they will know good and evil and they will die. Now, if up to that point there was no rebellion, who would know what evil is, since it didn’t exist at the time?

Did you actually read what I said? I clearly said the rebellion (by Satan) happened long BEFORE THAT.

And OF COURSE evil existed at that time. Only Adam and Eve was not aware of it until after eating of the tree of knowledge. Satan OTOH, knew evil very well long before that.

Also, why would the god put something in the garden, only to prohibit the eating of it? Who was it for? Frank is right; it was a sting. It was entrapment.

I answered that preveiously. God always wanted them to know. He wanted even that to be their choice though. They could have chosen to stay ignorant but they would be pretty boring company if they had.

If, on the other hand, the rebellion took place before the god created the two people, why did the god create them, knowing that the rebellious angel was lurking and free to exert influence on the two people, thus tripping them up?

According to the story, what it the penalty for rebellion?

As I said, the rebellion was Satan's, not A&E's. According to the bible's story, The penalty will be permanent destruction in the lake of fire.

Such an interesting exchange:

Leadfoot wrote:

God offered them a choice, live forever in ignorance or 'know' and then die. . .

Leadfoot wrote:

. . . the context of the story implies that Satan was around already before God made Adam & Eve and so Satan's creation and his rebellion along with a bunch of other angels must have occured long before that.

Glenn wrote:

So, the god creates two people. These two people are allowed to eat of the fruit of any tree they want, except for one--the tree of knowledge. The god tells them that if they eat of the fruit of that tree, they will know good and evil and they will die. Now, if up to that point there was no rebellion, who would know what evil is, since it didn’t exist at the time?

Leadfoot wrote:

Did you actually read what I said? I clearly said the rebellion (by Satan) happened long BEFORE THAT.

Leadfoot wrote:

And OF COURSE evil existed at that time. Only Adam and Eve was not aware of it until after eating of the tree of knowledge. Satan OTOH, knew evil very well long before that.

Glenn wrote:

Also, why would the god put something in the garden, only to prohibit the eating of it? Who was it for? Frank is right; it was a sting. It was entrapment.

Leadfoot wrote:

I answered that preveiously. God always wanted them to know. He wanted even that to be their choice though. They could have chosen to stay ignorant but they would be pretty boring company if they had.

Glenn wrote:

If, on the other hand, the rebellion took place before the god created the two people, why did the god create them, knowing that the rebellious angel was lurking and free to exert influence on the two people, thus tripping them up?

Glenn wrote:

According to the story, what it the penalty for rebellion?

Leadfoot wrote:

As I said, the rebellion was Satan's, not A&E's. According to the bible's story, The penalty will be permanent destruction in the lake of fire.

The issue represented by the tree of the knowledge of good and bad centers around God's right to set standards for his creation, standards which, BTW, God created into their conscience.

They already had the instinctual knowledge of right and wrong. If they had not disobeyed, they would still be here and life would be as God declared: good.

. . . .They DID NOT KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG.

That is the point of the story.

Surely you see how far off logic you have to go to defend your religion by now.

How long Satan harbored the desire to co opt Adam and Eve is not stated. But his rebellion did not take place until he uttered the words "You certainly will not die." Genesis 3:3.

How long Satan harbored the desire to co opt Adam and Eve is not stated. But his rebellion did not take place until he uttered the words "You certainly will not die." Genesis 3:3.

Really? A monumental decision like that just spontaneously popped into Satan's head? That story just isn't credible. To rationalize that you need to at least give a motive to convince me that the most powerful angel God created was that petty. That wouldn't reflect very well on God. The stakes had to be higher than that. If the motive was jealousy, that jealousy would have been over God's only Begotten Son who was around long before that, not these two weak new comers in Eden.

But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death. (James 1:14,15)

You can't prevent a bird from flying over your head, but you can prevent him from building a nest in your hair.

But he did not sin until he acted on his thoughts.

As for the penalty for rebellion, it is not possible for life to continue apart from connection to the Giver of Life. It's kind of like when you unplug the fan. It continues to run until friction slows it to zero.

Cutting to the chase:

Frank Apisa wrote:

. . . .They DID NOT KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG.

That is the point of the story.

Surely you see how far off logic you have to go to defend your religion by now.

You have never been able to address the question of what our world would be like had Adam and Eve not joined Satan in his quest.
If creation was indeed "good" as declared in Genesis 1:31, would it not have continued to be "good"?

As for the penalty for rebellion, it is not possible for life to continue apart from connection to the Giver of Life.

So, if you acquiesce to the the will of the god, you will not die?

I would not be able to answer that in any substantive way...since I think the story of Adam and Eve is obviously just a myth...