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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2019 12:34 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Guns were acollective right for militia use for two centuries

That is another lie, every Constitutional Amendment is an individual right, there is no such thing as groups rights in the Constitution.

Quote:
then the scalia court decided they were an individual right in heller and

They didn't decided anything, they ruled correctly as every Constitutional right is an individual right. There is no such thing as group rights in the Constitution. The FF believed the smallest minority was the individual and the govt is there to protect individual rights.

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the country went to hell and ex chef justice berger said pontedly they had created a new "right" out of whole cloth.

Abortion was created out of whole cloth, no mention or listing for abortion in the entire Constitution.

MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2019 12:34 pm
@Baldimo,
So tell me how elections are decided and laws passed?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2019 02:29 pm
@Baldimo,
Your buying into particular judicial philosphy. Its not thr only one. For rwo centuries the second amendment was regarded as refer err ing to rights in reference to a militia becsuse of historical events in britain not as an individual right. Because you posgtulate differ d ntly doesnt make it so. Bacause the federalist society think it also doesnt make it so. Its just one viewpoint.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2019 02:36 pm
@MontereyJack,
That is incorrect. The right to keep and bear arms has always been regarded as an individual right, at least when it comes to the Supreme Court and constitutional scholars. Progressive ideologues who claim that the Constitution means the opposite of what it says don't really count.

Facts and reality are not merely "just one viewpoint".
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2019 02:44 pm
@oralloy,
And it has always been regulated by common law as scalia said.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2019 02:48 pm
@MontereyJack,
Gun regulations are allowed only if they can be justified as serving a compelling government interest.

"I'm a progressive and I think it's fun to violate people's civil liberties" does not constitute a compelling government interest.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2019 04:07 pm
@oralloy,
If it weren't for guns i don't think you could express yourself at all.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2019 04:09 pm
@RABEL222,
You are wrong. I am quite able to express myself.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2019 04:38 pm
Tennessee Republican: A 'queer' running for president is as 'ugly' as it gets
County Commissioner Warren Hurst made homophobic comments about Pete Buttigieg and claimed white men in American “have very few rights.”
Oct. 22, 2019, 5:36 PM EDT

By Tim Fitzsimons and Gwen Aviles

During a public meeting Monday, an elected official in Tennessee made homophobic comments about presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg and claimed white men in America “have very few rights.”

“We’ve got a queer running for president, if that ain’t about as ugly as you can get,” Sevier County Commissioner Warren Hurst said to the crowd after telling them to “wake up.”

“I’m not prejudiced, but by golly,” continued Hurst, waving his finger in the air, “a white male in this country has very few rights, and they’re getting took more every day.” While one member of the crowd walked out in protest, Hurst was met with whistles and applause from the audience after he finished speaking.

Hurst’s “queer” comment, which was caught on camera, was presumably referring to Buttigieg, the mayor South Bend, Indiana, and the only openly gay 2020 presidential candidate.

Hurst’s remarks — made during a commission meeting about whether the county should become a gun sanctuary — set off a controversy in one of Tennessee’s major tourist areas. Sevier County is home to Dollywood, the Dolly Parton theme park.

The official Twitter account for Sevier County posted a statement on Tuesday denouncing Hurst’s comments.

"The statements made by Commissioner Hurst at the Sevier County Commission meeting of October 21, 2019, do not reflect the opinion or position of Sevier County administration," the statement said. "Sevier County is an Equal Opportunity Employer and does not discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, disability, or status in any other group protected by law."


Amanda Hara

@AmandaHara
"He should consider resigning" @tnequality tells me of @SevierCounty commissioner who used homophobic slur https://bit.ly/2MyPIqc @wvlt Hashtags now trending on Twitter: #BoycottSevierCounty #BoycottSeviervilleTN
3:34 PM - Oct 22, 2019

Hurst did not respond to NBC News’ requests for comment, but LGBTQ advocates said the impact of have consequences far beyond the county.

The Tennessee Equality Project, a statewide LGBTQ advocacy group that has been leading the campaign against the state’s “Slate of Hate” — a series of 12 bills that activists have deemed harmful to the LGBTQ community — called for Hurst’s resignation.

"Tennessee Equality Project condemns the commissioner's racist and homophobic rant,” Chris Sanders, the group’s executive director, told NBC News. “The County Commission should censure Commissioner Hurst and he should consider resigning unless he is willing to sponsor some ordinances to make county government more inclusive.”

Sander’s said Hurst’s remarks “speak to an ongoing need for local organizing around the state, outside of its urban areas.”

Sanders said that over the summer, the equality project was at the Tennessee Soybean Festival, "which isn’t billed as an LGBTQ event, but we were there to build more of a base there locally, and we need more of that."

Sanders’ organization is now urging community members to rally at the next Sevier County Commission meeting, on Nov. 18, to protest Hurst’s statements.

National LGBTQ rights organizations, including the Human Rights Campaign and GLAAD, were also swift to condemn Hurst’s comments.

“Sevier County Commissioner Warren Hurst is using his position of power to publicly spew bigotry against LGBTQ people — people who are very likely his own constituents,” Nick Morrow, the organization’s deputy communications director, said in a statement. “A group of people having rights doesn't take away those of another. But with LGBTQ people running for office at every level of government and more and more people voting for candidates who support equality, he should be more worried about losing his seat than losing his rights.”
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 05:35 am

https://imgur.com/rq0bnBT.jpg
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 07:38 am
@oralloy,
oralloy says:
Quote:
@MontereyJack,
Gun regulations are allowed only if they can be justified as serving a compelling government interest.


Remember "Government of the people, BY THE PEOPLE.....'?
What YOU consider a compelling government interest bears very little resemblance to what the majority of people governed in America or their governments or for that matter the courts consider compelling government interests.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 07:44 am
@MontereyJack,
That is incorrect. What I consider a compelling government interest closely aligns with what the courts consider a compelling government interest.

You do not speak for the majority of the nation, but what the majority thinks isn't really relevant in any case.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 08:10 am
@oralloy,
And I repeat courts allow state bans on assault style weapons to stay in effect thereby recognizing compelling government interest.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 08:37 am
@MontereyJack,
Trump is filling the courts with judges who believe in upholding the Constitution. The days of leftist judges issuing rulings that ignore civil liberties are at an end.

edit: But you'll still need to pay compensation for your malicious violations of people's civil liberties before I will consider supporting any new gun laws.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 12:29 pm
@oralloy,
You seem to have an inflated sense of self worth. What makes you think you are so important that we cannot pass laws without your approval?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 03:56 pm
@RABEL222,
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What makes you think you are so important that we cannot pass laws without your approval?

Good question. Where is the post where he said that?
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 08:55 pm
@oralloy,
You've just brought up an extremely important reason to maje sure trump gets voted out of office along with his whole gop cabal, because he's packing the courts with wild-eyed right wing gun loonies. The Parkland suevivors showed us the way to kick the nra's ass in 2018 over their support for gop toadies who oppose all efforts to reduce the gun carnage, and he Parkland kids are heroes to millions of millennials, many of whom will vote for the first time in 2020. End the trump and nra rein of terror in 2020. save our courts. vote blue.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 09:15 pm
@MontereyJack,
The Parkland survivors showed us how kids are exploited by adults trying to disarm the public. Let upset children make our laws? We did that with Obama, not again.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 10:12 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
RABEL222 wrote:
What makes you think you are so important that we cannot pass laws without your approval?

Good question. Where is the post where he said that?

He's paraphrasing me a bit, but he's referring to the fact that gun rights advocates have the political muscle to stop gun control from passing in Congress.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 10:17 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
You seem to have an inflated sense of self worth.

Did you see how gun rights advocates stopped Obama cold when he spent the entire first hundred days of his second term trying to outlaw pistol grips? The end result of that fight was that Obama got nothing done in his second term, and the voters elected Donald Trump to replace him.

And let's have a look at how the whiny brats are doing against gun rights advocates in their own quest to outlaw pistol grips:

http://images2.imgbox.com/e0/42/4oZ8Jstr_o.jpg
http://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/966078572321562625

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/2018/02/20/USATODAY/USATODAY/636547353091154050-04.JPG



RABEL222 wrote:
What makes you think you are so important that we cannot pass laws without your approval?

Let's take a look at how gun control legislation is doing without the support of gun rights advocates:

passed by House, ignored by Senate

Bipartisan Background Checks Act
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr8

Enhanced Background Checks Act
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr1112

Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr1585


passed out of committee, NOT passed by either House or Senate

Keep Americans Safe Act
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr1186

Extreme Risk Protection Order Act
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr1236

Disarm Hate Act
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr2708


not even passed out of committee

Assault Weapons Ban
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr1296
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