Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

Where in the Constitution or the Bill of rights declares the NRA a equal partner of the government.

Article 1, Section 2:
"The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature."

We can also throw in a bit of the First Amendment if you like:
"Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech ... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble"

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@glitterbag,

GB, if you squint and tilt your head just right, you can also see in those constitution snippets where United States Hemp Growers and The American Clown Nose Wearers are also named as co-equal with the Judiciary, Legislative and Executive branches.

It’s right there. Doncha see it ?

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@neptuneblue,

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It is a criminal offence to be killed by a drunk driver.

And what do you propose we do about that?

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@Glennn,

Let the courts do their job.

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@RABEL222,

Yeah, that's what I say, too. And when it comes to what you propose we do about being killed by a murderer, do you propose that we let the courts do their job?

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
No it's not.

Statistics are very clear that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates. Anything that says otherwise is wrong.

Which statistics?

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
That's merely your assertion. I prefer the study's conclusions, thank you.

I saw nothing in that study that looked at the difference between a gun owner owning "a few guns" versus "many guns".

Search the the term "gun availability" in the study.

oralloy wrote:

Also, these is a matter of basic logic here. How would having more than one gun make a suicide more likely (or more likely to succeed) than just having a single gun?

Logically, having one gun would make it rather difficult to use for all suicide attempts.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Their vote in regard to their interest is a minority one.

It will still amuse me to see the hunting community vote leftist politicians out of office.

The hunting community, specifically, is too small to vote anyone out of office in most areas of the country.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
This is merely an interpretation of yours of the Second Amendment.

That is incorrect. That is what the term "well-regulated militia" actually meant back then when it was used in the English language.

This is merely a reiteration of your interpretation.

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@Glennn,

Are you claiming that incidents of drunk driving are on the increase? If the laws aren't working they need to be re-examined.

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@izzythepush,

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Are you claiming that incidents of drunk driving are on the increase?

Let me go back and see what I said in my post.

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@izzythepush,

Nope. No such claim in that post.

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@Glennn,

Glennn, I don't think you are going to find anyone who thinks violent crimes shouldn't be handled by the courts. Are you trying to say that it's pointless to try and curb incidents of mass murder? Personally, I doubt if we will ever live in a world where people are not murdered..but I still think it's worth the effort to find a way to put a dent into mayhem. I know we will not outlaw fists because people have been beaten to death by violent people, we won't outlaw writing instruments (pencils, pens, crayons, calligraphy stuff) because in the right hands they could be lethal.
There used to be a ton of brilliant people in this country who looked for ways to keep us as safe as possible...I mean reducing shoddy materials, learning how to prevent harmful materials from reaching the food chain......I hope they are all just on vacation and will return soon.

In the meantime I'm bidding for a flamethrower on Ebay, gotta go.

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@glitterbag,

Assuming you're not for an all out ban on firearms, the gun debate issue actually revolves around large capacity magazines. I'm not opposed to restrictions on magazine-size.

The point of my post was that alcohol is a common denominator in a lot of firearms homicides as well as traffic fatalities. Yet no one would jump to the conclusion that we have to ban alcohol.

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@Glennn,

So it's a false analogy, the laws are adequate enough to deal with drink driving. They clearly not equipped to deal with homicides involving firearms so the law does need to change.

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@izzythepush,

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the laws are adequate enough to deal with drink driving.

But people are dying from drunk driving. Your idea of "adequate" leaves something to be desired.

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@snood,

Oh I know about the American Clown Nose Wearers, one of their members currently travels back and forth from D.C. to Golf Courses, tosses paper towel rolls to hurricane victims, and grins like a low achiever who just won a pie eating contest while posing with a recently orphaned infant as if it is the happiest day of his life.

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@Glennn,

Is there any particular reason why you might think I would support a total ban on firearms?

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Which statistics?

http://medium.com/handwaving-freakoutery/everybodys-lying-about-the-link-between-gun-ownership-and-homicide-1108ed400be5
Note: Limited number of free articles per month, so best viewed in incognito/private browsing mode so no cookies are left in your browser.

InfraBlue wrote:

Search the the term "gun availability" in the study.

I see:
"Gun availability is measured using three different state-level proxies: (1) Cook's Index (Cook), which is defined as the average of the fraction of suicides with guns and the fraction of homicides among adults with guns (among adults); (2) the percentage of suicides among adults that are firearm suicides (FS/S); and (3) the percentage of households that reported owning a firearm in the Behavior Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) survey of a nonrandom 21 states. These three proxies were standardized so that their mean equals 0 and their standard deviation equals 1."

And I see:
"Gun availability is measured using four different regional-level estimates, two derived from mortality statistics, and two regionally gathered survey estimates of household gun ownership. The two derived proxies are (1) Cook's Index (Cook), which is defined as the average of the fraction of suicides among adults with guns and the fraction of homicides among adults with guns, and (2) the percentage of suicides among adults that are firearm suicides (FS/S). The survey-based measures are the regional household ownership rates of any firearms and of handguns in particular, as reported in the GSS."

But I don't see anything comparing people who have "many guns" versus "few guns".

InfraBlue wrote:

Logically, having one gun would make it rather difficult to use for all suicide attempts.

That is incorrect. All someone has to do is point a single gun at a vital area and pull the trigger. One gun is enough to do that.

InfraBlue wrote:

The hunting community, specifically, is too small to vote anyone out of office in most areas of the country.

They can take the swing districts and catapult the Democrats out of the majority.

InfraBlue wrote:

This is merely a reiteration of your interpretation.

That is incorrect. It is what the term "well-regulated militia" actually meant in the English language back then.

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

but I still think it's worth the effort to find a way to put a dent into mayhem.

Nice try, but you don't fool anyone.

Making it difficult to have pistol grips on rifles is not designed to put a dent in any mayhem. It is designed solely to violate people's civil liberties for fun.

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@Glennn,

Glennn wrote:

But people are dying from drunk driving. Your idea of "adequate" leaves something to be desired.

Leftists just don't care about the victims of drunk drivers.

I feel like doing some virtue signaling. Mr. Green

Just to prove how much *I* care about the victims of drunk drivers, I propose that the law be changed to require everyone to drive gray cars. No other car color should be allowed.

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@glitterbag,

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Is there any particular reason why you might think I would support a total ban on firearms?

I used the word "assuming" so as not to misrepresent your position.

I am pushing the point that magazine-size is the actual issue, and not pistol grips or folding stocks.

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