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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 23 Feb, 2019 10:29 pm
@oralloy,
Nonsense. It was in effect for 60 years and poisoned one way or another most of our 19th century politics. It was only the Civil War which forced the South much against its wil to end slavery.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 23 Feb, 2019 11:17 pm
@MontereyJack,
If the Framers had allowed each slave to count as a whole person, slavery would still exist today, as the south would have most of the country's electoral districts apportioned to them and thereby would always be able to block any attempt to repeal slavery.

With slavery secure and unending, the south would never had felt a need to secede. There never would have been a civil war, and slavery would still be a part of modern life.

If the Framers had insisted that a slave not count as a person at all, the south would have never ratified the Constitution. The north and south would have formed separate countries from the start, and the southern country would still have slavery today.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 23 Feb, 2019 11:50 pm
@oralloy,
Allowing slavery at all was what proved to be the mistake. From that the whole slavery disaster unfolded. Since the FFs didn't find some way to deal with it, they unquestionably blew it. The Civil War and its carnage was the inevitable result of their failure to deal with it. the failure because of the electoral college in 1876 set the stage for the next hundred years of disaster.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 23 Feb, 2019 11:57 pm
@MontereyJack,
Had they forbidden slavery, the south would never have ratified the Constitution, and there would have been two countries instead of one.

Slavery would still exist in the southern country to this day.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:29 am
@oralloy,
so the fact that the FFs didnnt deal with slavery which led to 200 years of beatings, rapes, lynchings, and gruesome early deathsand family destruction , and the electoral college debacle of 1876 which led directly to the death of Reconstruction and the second hundred years of oppression of
blacks did not turn out to be mistakes? You have a really peculiar view of justice and history.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 07:30 am
@MontereyJack,
I don't think it was a mistake for the Framers to chose a path that led to the end of slavery.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 11:38 am
@oralloy,
which path led to two hundred years of brutal oppression of Americans, some of which still remains, accompanied by two hundred years of high-minded rhetoric about human rights. Let's not forget 41 of the 56 signers of the Constitution were slave owners. Talk about cognitive dissonance.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 11:40 am
@MontereyJack,
Would you prefer a path that resulted in slavery still existing today?
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 11:53 am
@oralloy,
the 3/5 compromise did nothing to eradicate slavery gradualy or otherwise. It perpetuated it and undemocratic power of slave states. It took the most blody war in American history to eradicate slavery. The FFs just kicked the problem down the road for their descendent. They were starting fresh, and they blew this one big time, rather than finding a solution.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:03 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Let's not forget

It was legal at the time.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:12 pm
@coldjoint,
That's kind of the problem, isn't it? Not surprised you'd speak up in defense of slavery. Not surprised at al.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:15 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
the 3/5 compromise did nothing to eradicate slavery gradualy or otherwise. It perpetuated it and undemocratic power of slave states.
The 3/5 compromise brought the South under the Constitution. If that had not happened, there would never have been a Civil War or an end to slavery.

And it prevented the South from having overwhelming power in the federal government. If the South had been allowed to dominate the federal government, there would never have been a Civil War or an end to slavery.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:29 pm
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:35 pm
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:36 pm
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:37 pm
FYI: RUSSIAN Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov just flew into VIETNAM. Trump will be there on Wednesday.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 01:00 pm
@oralloy,
So yoau clim the explicitly pro-slavery 3/5 compromise, which magnified the political power of slaveholders while denying any human rights to slaves for 70 years was in fact anti-slavery? oralloy twisted logic in full bloom.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 01:29 pm
@MontereyJack,
The 3/5 compromise diminished the power of slaveholders. If slaveholders had been able to count slaves as entire citizens in the census, slaveholder power would have been vastly greater.

The 3/5 compromise did not deny any human rights.

There is nothing twisted about pointing out facts and reality.

And yes, the 3/5 compromise is what made it possible to end slavery.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 06:07 pm
@oralloy,

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Quote:

The 3/5 compromise did not deny any human rights
How twisted can you get. Tel that to the souls of the slaves who didn't get freedom because it was in effect.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 06:12 pm
@TheCobbler,
You like traitors? Obama is, and was, a traitor. With any luck history will get it right.
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