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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 01:17 pm
@Baldimo,
The majority of US voters do not support Tromp or his scotus picks. Whatever it takes legally to to stop him in is fine with us. If he proves to be a slime ball
show him no mercy..
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 01:21 pm
@camlok,
No it won't you marroon.
Blickers
 
  4  
Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 01:25 pm
@Baldimo,
Kavanagh worked in the Bush Administration and which have a bearing on what he will be like as a Supreme Court justice.

What-you have some objection to checking out the president's choice for a Supreme Court justice before voting him in?

Baldimo
 
  -3  
Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 01:34 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
Kavanagh worked in the Bush Administration and which have a bearing on what he will be like as a Supreme Court justice.

Personal opinion?

Quote:
What-you have some objection to checking out the president's choice for a Supreme Court justice before voting him in?

Objection? No, the public has a problem with "last minute" issues that were "known" about 6 weeks prior to them being brought up. If it was a legit issue, they would have brought it up during the actual hearing, not after the hearing was completed. Stop with the BS games.
camlok
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 01:45 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
Personal opinion?


Come off it, Baldimo, with your incredible hypocrisy. Hypocrisy sure is getting a real workout here at A2K what with all the folks, mostly Americans lamely trying to defend the indefensible.

Objection? No, the public has a problem with "last minute" issues that were "known" about 6 weeks prior to them being brought up. If it was a legit issue, they would have brought it up during the actual hearing, not after the hearing was completed. Stop with the BS games.

There is that ubiquitous hypocrisy again. If the sides were switched, or if you switched sides there would be the same stunning hypocrisy. Right, Baldimo?

But regardless of that, this is a USSC nomination. So every detail should be handled with great care because of the downfield ramifications.
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Blickers
 
  3  
Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 02:57 pm
@Baldimo,
Kavanagh was a lawyer. He had a high position in the White House Counsel's office. It's absurd to think that would not be pertinent to his opinion on the law and the Constitution.

Quote Baldimo:
Quote:
No, the public has a problem with "last minute" issues that were "known" about 6 weeks prior to them being brought up.

The public doesn't actually care much about minor adjustments in procedure if the truth comes out. I think the public wants him to be checked out, and if they have to re-open a case a few days later, so what.

It's clear the Trump supporters are trying to make another excuse for Kavanagh to get rushed through. The papers from the Bush Administration were released a day before the hearings, too late for anyone to check anything out. Clearly Kavanagh is being pushed through before anyone can do anything about it.

As far as the 6 weeks, the person in question made it clear she did not want to come forward, as attempted rape victims find the recollection quite devastating. Then the story came out anyway, and she figured as long as she has to deal with the public knowing, she might as well let the sstory out. Outside of the strongest Trump supporters, nobody cares about 6 weeks. The public cares about whether Kavanagh did it.
camlok
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 03:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
Yes, it actually does, MJ. Rank partisans think they run the "democratic" process in the USA.
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Baldimo
 
  -3  
Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 04:51 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
Kavanagh was a lawyer. He had a high position in the White House Counsel's office. It's absurd to think that would not be pertinent to his opinion on the law and the Constitution.

He is a lawyer, but he was not in the Counsel's office, get your facts straight, he was the White House Staff Secretary. It's absurd to think you would actually have the correct information.
Quote:
The Office of the Staff Secretary, along with its sub-offices—the Office of the Executive Clerk, the Office of Records Management, and the Office of Presidential Correspondence—is the largest of the White House Offices.[1]


Quote:
The public doesn't actually care much about minor adjustments in procedure if the truth comes out. I think the public wants him to be checked out, and if they have to re-open a case a few days later, so what.

Minor adjustments? If this were the GOP doing this same last minute "Hail Mary", you would be frothing at the mouth.

Quote:
It's clear the Trump supporters are trying to make another excuse for Kavanagh to get rushed through. The papers from the Bush Administration were released a day before the hearings, too late for anyone to check anything out. Clearly Kavanagh is being pushed through before anyone can do anything about it.

There have been no excuses to push anything through. Sotomayor was nominated and confirmed in less that 3 months, in fact it was done in 72 days. In fact it's been 70 days since Kavanagh was nominated, so "pushed through" is a massive lie.

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As far as the 6 weeks, the person in question made it clear she did not want to come forward, as attempted rape victims find the recollection quite devastating. Then the story came out anyway, and she figured as long as she has to deal with the public knowing, she might as well let the sstory out. Outside of the strongest Trump supporters, nobody cares about 6 weeks. The public cares about whether Kavanagh did it.

It doesn't matter if she wanted to come forward or not, she made the claim and now has to defend it. This is the joke about all of this, it could have been done 6 weeks ago, but as usual, when the DNC is losing they have to cheat and lie to get their way. They couldn't stop one of the most qualified people, so they had to revert to dirty tactic's to slow down the nomination. The only reason the DNC is doing this is to delay the vote till after the mid-term elections where they think they are going to win.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 08:39 pm
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One of America’s Largest Egg Producers Caught Using Child Slaves—Given to Them by US Gov’t

This is on Obama's watch. The Dems care so much about the children, I guess Obama did not get the memo, or Valerie forgot to tell him.
Quote:
During a subcomitte hearing on the investigation, Senator Rob Portman said that US agencies were responsible for these children ending up in the hands of traffickers.

“It is intolerable that human trafficking — modern-day slavery — could occur in our own backyard. What makes the Marion cases even more alarming is that a U.S. government agency was responsible for delivering some of the victims into the hands of their abusers,” Portman said after learning of the case.

“Whatever your views on immigration policy, everyone can agree that the administration has a responsibility to ensure the safety of the migrant kids that have entered government custody until their immigration court date,” Portman said.

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/children-trafficked-egg-producer-hhs/
camlok
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 08:56 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
One of America’s Largest Egg Producers Caught Using Child Slaves—Given to Them by US Gov’t

This is on Obama's watch. The Dems care so much about the children,


Boy, cj, you are stunningly naive. 'naive' is being exceedingly generous.

Dems/Repugs, it doesn't matter a bit. Each will slaughter children or do anything else morally repugnant to them. And look at who is using child slaves, Americans.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 09:27 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote Baldimo:
Quote:
He is a lawyer, but he was not in the Counsel's office, get your facts straight, he was the White House Staff Secretary. It's absurd to think you would actually have the correct information.
Why is every conversation with you a waste of goddamn time? I have to unravel every cockamamie notion you pick up wrong and then go on for post after post maintaining it.

Quote New York Times:
Quote:
When George W. Bush took office in 2001, his first White House counsel, Alberto R. Gonzales, hired Mr. Kavanaugh as an associate counsel....
.....Mr. Kavanaugh advised the White House on dealing with the investigation into the collapsed energy firm Enron. But much of his time went to judicial nominations, particularly to the D.C. Circuit on which he would later serve. He worked on the candidacy of Miguel Estrada, a prominent conservative who was blocked by Democrats, and he strongly backed nominating John Roberts, later to become chief justice.
Source

Next time get your own facts straight before criticizing others for getting them right.


Quote Baldimo:
Quote:
Minor adjustments? If this were the GOP doing this same last minute "Hail Mary", you would be frothing at the mouth.
Yes, minor adjustments. They didn't even take a single vote yet, and now a major new issue comes up days before the vote. Opening it up again is no big deal.


Quote Baldimo:
Quote:
There have been no excuses to push anything through. Sotomayor was nominated and confirmed in less that 3 months, in fact it was done in 72 days. In fact it's been 70 days since Kavanagh was nominated, so "pushed through" is a massive lie.
Everybody on both sides were given all the information that was requested with Sotomayor before the vote. Here, as I stated previously and which you ignored, there were records from Kavanaugh'a time in government and the White House Counsel's office as well as the Ken Starr investigation that likely reveal much about Kavanaugh's legal philosophies and approaches, but they were denied access to the committee until the day before the hearing.

From Wikipedia:
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Judge Kavanaugh had over 4,800 pages of opinions provided for review. On the evening of September 3, just hours before the hearing began, as part of the nomination process around 457 thousand additional documents had been produced in response to his nomination as of September 3, 2018.[61] A nominee questionnaire was also returned with 17 thousand pages of supporting documents. Over 267 thousand of the documents not already public as part of his service in the Bush administration have been released publicly.[62][63][64][65] The White House of the Trump administration has used presidential privilege to prevent the public release of over 100,000 pages of Kavanaugh’s records of his service for the Bush administration.[66]

Dumping documents until the day before the hearing when there was no time to read them, Trump outright witholding 100,000 pages of documents about Kavanaugh's service to the White House-of course they're trying to jam him through.

Fact is, the GOP knows they better get Kavanaugh through quick because they figure if they take the normal time, he'll never make it.
RABEL222
 
  4  
Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 09:50 pm
I wonder if the high minded Christian conservative senators will crucify this girl the way that did the Hill woman? Of. Course they will. Anything to get a conservative court.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 09:51 pm
@RABEL222,
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Anything to get a conservative court.

You mean anything not to.
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TheCobbler
 
  4  
Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 07:37 am
Remember when Sen. Collins called Sen. Franken allegations 'credible, disgusting, and appalling’?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/17/1796446/-Remember-when-Sen-Collins-called-Sen-Al-Franken-allegations-credible-disgusting-and-appalling
Baldimo
 
  -3  
Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 11:16 am
@Blickers,
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Why is every conversation with you a waste of goddamn time? I have to unravel every cockamamie notion you pick up wrong and then go on for post after post maintaining it.

You only think it's a waste of time because you have to defend your BS instead of having it swallowed whole in this echo chamber that proclaims to be a "discussion" board.

Quote:
Next time get your own facts straight before criticizing others for getting them right.

Quote:
After George W. Bush became president in 2001, Kavanaugh was hired as an associate by the White House Counsel, Alberto Gonzales.[25] There, Kavanaugh worked on the Enron scandal, the successful nomination of Chief Justice John Roberts, and the unsuccessful nomination of Miguel Estrada.[25] Starting in 2003, he served as Assistant to the President and White House Staff Secretary.[27] In that capacity, he was responsible for coordinating all documents to and from the president.

He worked there for a year and wasn't the primary counsel. In fact it doesn't even show up on his wiki page as a job title for the Fedeal Govt. The majority of his time in the WH was as the Staff Secratary, which is known as "the nerve center of the WH".
Quote:
The Staff Secretary ("Staff Sec") is a position in the White House Office responsible for managing paper flow to the President and circulating documents among senior staff for comment. It has been referred to as "the nerve center of the White House."

It's clear what paper work the DNC was after, and it had nothing to do with his "judicial opinion". If his "judicial opinion" was the only thing that counted, then this would have been noted in the hearings:
Quote:
Notable cases
The Supreme Court has adopted Kavanaugh's position on cases 13 times, and has reversed his position only once. These included cases involving environmental regulations, criminal procedure, the separation of powers and extraterritorial jurisdiction in human rights abuse cases.[25][48] He has been regarded as a feeder judge.[49]


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Yes, minor adjustments. They didn't even take a single vote yet, and now a major new issue comes up days before the vote. Opening it up again is no big deal.

This issue didn't just come up, it was sat on until the end of the hearings. It's also not a major issue and the FBI has already said they will not investigate the issue since they have no jurisdiction as no federal crime took place. The only reason a vote isn't scheduled now, is because the DNC is using dirty tricks to delay the vote. It's typical of their behavior when they can't win with votes. 2003, DNC fled the state of Texas to prevent a vote, they did the same thing in WI to prevent a vote they couldn't win. Running and delaying is a tactic used by losers.

Quote:
Everybody on both sides were given all the information that was requested with Sotomayor before the vote. Here, as I stated previously and which you ignored, there were records from Kavanaugh'a time in government and the White House Counsel's office as well as the Ken Starr investigation that likely reveal much about Kavanaugh's legal philosophies and approaches, but they were denied access to the committee until the day before the hearing.

Do you honestly think the candidates nominated by Obama didn't have issues providing a paper trail of their work? Sotomayor didn't provide all the paper work the GOP wanted for her hearing and even claimed her questionnaire wasn't completed, yet her nomination and vote only took 73 days...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/supreme-court/2009/06/republicans_say_sotomayor_ques.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sessions-rebukes-white-house-on-sotomayor-documents

You will notice though that the GOP didn't disrupt her hearings with silly outbursts and claims of Spartacus.

Quote:
Dumping documents until the day before the hearing when there was no time to read them, Trump outright witholding 100,000 pages of documents about Kavanaugh's service to the White House-of course they're trying to jam him through.

I'm sorry, how many documents did the DNC have prior to the "doc dump"? They were concerned with his time in the Bush WH and nothing more. They wanted access to records they would normally never have access to, and would blow their stacks if the same documents were asked for from the Obama admin.

Quote:
Fact is, the GOP knows they better get Kavanaugh through quick because they figure if they take the normal time, he'll never make it.

I'll highlight the lie about "getting him through quick" lie again, 73 days for Sotomayor and 87 days for Kagan. We are now on day 71 for Kavanaugh, so his time is on par with the previous administrations time table.
Ginsburg was rushed, it took 49 days vs Breyer who took 77 days.


mysteryman841
 
  -2  
Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 02:00 pm
@TheCobbler,
Except there was photographic evidence against him.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 02:13 pm
@mysteryman841,
Quote:
Except there was photographic evidence against him.

He also admitted it and resigned.
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 02:41 pm
Which shows that unlike republican conservatives Franklin had some integrity.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 02:48 pm
@RABEL222,
If he had integrity he wouldn't have done those things in the first place.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2018 03:17 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
It doesn't matter if she wanted to come forward or not, she made the claim and now has to defend it. This is the joke about all of this, it could have been done 6 weeks ago


the GOP obviously knew it was there - they sat on it while gathering the 65 letters. they could have had it dealt with and over with weeks ago. they are as much to blame for the timeline as the Dems. it's politics.

not sure why anyone is surprised (or acting as if they're shocked and appalled) this is all standard issue cr@p. everyone is trying to see what they can get away with.
 

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