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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 01:32 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
I don't need a citation, as the snippet I composed is just an example of how a back channel to a hostile foreign power COULD be misused. Which is why they are NOT used by any president except Trump. Why?

Once more, Brandon, show me any OTHER president who ever attempted TWICE to set up a back channel communication with a hostile country.
Truman (maybe FDR too) pursued opportunities for back channel contacts with the Japanese government during WWII.

Unfortunately the Japanese government proved unwilling.

Historians consider the absence of back channel contacts with Japan and Germany during WWII to have been seriously detrimental to American interests.

Blickers wrote:
And no, he does not have the right to do that.
The President has every right to set up contacts with other governments.

Should we scrap the hotline between Washington and Moscow that was meant to defuse tensions that could lead to nuclear war?
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 06:53 am
The Russians had the ability to actually change voter registration records!
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 07:00 am
https://external-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQDHGT2LuylwU_HA&w=540&h=282&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.s-nbcnews.com%2Fj%2FMSNBC%2FComponents%2FVideo%2F201707%2F2017-07-06T23-34-46-466Z--1280x720.1200%3B630%3B7%3B70%3B5.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_hash=AQAkL4egN8K7LIaY
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 07:28 am
GOP senator: Trump’s policies doing 'permanent damage'
By Jacqueline Thomsen - 07/15/18

Sen. Ron Johnson(R-Wis.) warned on Sunday that President Trump’s policies on trade are starting to do “permanent damage.”

Johnson said during an interview with New York AM 970 radio host John Catsimatidis that his state of Wisconsin has “been particularly targeted” by China’s recently imposed tariffs, which came in response to President Trump’s trade measure against the country.

Johnson told Catsimatidis that the steel tariffs are “hitting us pretty hard,”
adding that he’s heard of price increases of 30 to 40 percent.

"The problem with that is it raises the cost of American-manufactured products, Wisconsin-manufactured products, which makes them less competitive on the global trade market," Johnson said.

The senator said Trump is “absolutely right” to demand reciprocal trade, but that he hopes Trump will quickly resolve the escalating trade dispute because “right now there is some permanent damage being done.”

Trump imposed 25 percent tariffs on $34 billion worth of Chinese goods earlier this month, prompting reciprocal tariffs from China on American products.

China also accused Trump of launching “the biggest trade war in economic history.”

The Trump administration later announced that it would impose a 10 percent tariff on $200 billion worth of Chinese imports. The country has also promised to retaliate for those tariffs.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/397040-gop-senator-trumps-policies-doing-permanent-damage
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 10:12 am
@TheCobbler,
Did you notice either were presidents of those countries in that poll? So it means nothing.
layman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 10:58 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Did you notice either were presidents of those countries in that poll? So it means nothing.


Well, I think it does mean, at least, that they identifying which president they would expect to do the "right thing" for THEIR country, not the USA. Naturally, Obama wins that by a landslide.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:02 am
@firefly,
firefly, Trump is a dangerous moron. He fails to understand much of anything including foreign affairs, domestic regulation, and economics. That he would impose tariffs only results in a retaliatory response that ends up costing more for consumers. That's bad for everybody. On foreign affairs, he has criticized the European Union. On domestic regulation, he has implemented a policy to separate children from their parents that he believes is a tough policy that will stop illegal immigration. This guy is inhumane, ignorant, and dangerous to everybody.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:06 am
A gay Republican called the cops on a black woman… for using a coupon
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/07/gay-republican-called-cops-black-woman-using-coupon/

Even gay republicans are twacked in the head...
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Blickers
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:13 am
@Blickers,
Quote oralloy:
Quote:
Obstruction refers to interfering with an investigation that the government is pursuing, not to the government deciding to close down an investigation.

Quote Blickers:
Quote:
Please tell me how it is NOT obstructing justice if the reason you fire the investigator is that you think his investigation might lead to you.

Quote oralloy:
Quote:
It isn't obstruction because obstruction isn't about the government closing down an investigation.

Obstruction is about interfering with an investigation that the government is trying to pursue.


So your position is, if Trump fires the FBI director for pursuing an investigation that might lead back to Trump himself, then that's not interference. That's just Trump using his right to fire the FBI director, even though Trump admitted that he did it to protect himself from the investigation leading back to Trump himself.

Do I have your position correct?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:15 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
firefly, Trump is a dangerous moron.

Again? Say something different just once.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:17 am
@layman,
Cold Joint, it means nothing to someone who has already overlooked a man with a shady, corrupt business background, it means nothing to someone who has already overlooked the fact that Donald Trump is a racist and has only fake Christian values, it means nothing to someone who has already overlooked the fact that no tax returns have been produced, someone who has overlooked the clear and evident conflicts of interest, someone who has overlooked the porn star wife (and mistresses), someone who has overlooked overwhelming evidence of Russian collusion in our elections, someone who has overlooked Donald's dissing of our closest allies, it means nothing to a sell-out, head in the sand, oligarch ass kissing republican who cares "nothing" about this country anyway.

It means nothing to a traitor like you...

Respect only "means something" to people with morals.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:21 am
@TheCobbler,
Quote:
overwhelming evidence of Russian collusion in our elections,


Not collusion, interference, there is a big difference. And you calling someone a traitor is like a fart in the wind, of no consequence at all.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 11:22 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
So your position is, if Trump fires the FBI director for pursuing an investigation that might lead back to Trump himself, then that's not interference. That's just Trump using his right to fire the FBI director, even though Trump admitted that he did it to protect himself from the investigation leading back to Trump himself.
Do I have your position correct?
The FBI guy was fired for pursuing an investigation that his superiors had decided should not be pursued.

Part of remaining employed involves doing what the boss tells you to do.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 12:56 pm
@oralloy,
And if that firing constitutes an illegal act the boss is liable.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 12:58 pm
@coldjoint,
Kinda like your calling someone a traitor
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 01:23 pm
Tariffs cause BMW to move production out of South Carolina
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/10/1779389/-Tariffs-cause-BMW-to-move-production-out-of-South-Carolina

Is South Carolina better off with Trump or Obama?
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 01:26 pm
A thousand Russian hackers can't be wrong....
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/10/1779415/-A-thousand-Russian-hackers-can-t-be-wrong

Remember the last election? Trump can only win by cheating...

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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 01:32 pm
Are there any documented cases of Donald Trump not paying companies he did business with? Do you have any links to sites with evidence?
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-documented-cases-of-Donald-Trump-not-paying-companies-he-did-business-with-Do-you-have-any-links-to-sites-with-evidence

Comment:
We do know he pays porn stars off though (rather has someone else make the payments)...
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 01:34 pm
More lowering of expectations...without much confidence in Trump

U.S. ambassador: Trump-Putin meeting ‘isn’t a summit’

By QUINT FORGEY
| 07/15/2018

President Donald Trump’s highly anticipated meeting on Monday in Helsinki with Russian President Vladimir Putin is just that — only a meeting, the U.S. ambassador to Russia said Sunday.

“It isn't a summit. I've heard it called a summit. This is a meeting,” Jon Huntsman said on NBC's “Meet the Press.”

“In fact, it's the first meeting between the two presidents,” Huntsman added. “They've had some pull-asides, one at the G-20 in Hamburg and the other at the APEC Ministerial in Da Nang, Vietnam, but this is really the first time for both presidents to actually sit across the table and have a conversation.”

Unlike previous presidential summits — such as Ronald Reagan’s visit to China in 1984, Huntsman said — Trump and Putin’s get-together in Helsinki will not feature a state dinner, a joint statement or any predetermined policy deliverables.

“You don't know what's going to come out of this meeting, but what it will be is the first opportunity for these presidents to actually sit down across a table, alone and then with their teams, to talk about everything from meddling in the election, to areas where we have some shared interests,” Huntsman said.

Huntsman also said recent developments in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, including the Friday indictment of 12 Russian military officials for hacking the Democratic National Committee, will be a part of Monday's talks.

“That now makes probably almost 30 Russians who have been rolled up by the Mueller indictment. That investigation continues,” Huntsman said. “The bigger picture is we need to hold the Russians accountable for what they did, their malign activity throughout Europe as well. That's a part of the conversation that needs to take place.”

But Huntsman wouldn’t say whether Trump would push Putin for the extradition of the dozen Russian military officers to stand trial in the United States.

“I don't know if he'll make the ask, but it may be part of the agenda. It may be part of their bilateral meeting together. We'll have to see,” Huntsman said, adding that the FBI office and the U.S. Embassy in Moscow would work to advance that goal.

“That doesn't necessarily mean that the Russians are going to follow through with it,” Huntsman cautioned. “But we'll see if those steps will be taken.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/15/trump-russia-huntsman-summit-722217

But, a few hours later, Trump tweeted that the meeting with Putin was "a summit"---undermining his own ambassador.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-tweets-that-his-putin-meeting-is-a-summit-hours-after-huntsman-says-it-isnt-a-summit/

At this point, even Trump's senior policy advisors, who have been shut out of the Putin meeting/summit, should be concerned about what Trump might do when left to his own devices, particularly since he admits he has done no real preparation for the meeting, and he has no clear agenda.

Quote:
What, then, is on each leader’s plate? Putin seeks to have the proverbial “cake and eat it too.” However, have no illusions, because at home he cannot afford any substantive “détente” with the United States. For the past six years or so, the dominant domestic propaganda narrative that is also the basis of his popularity has been America’s alleged “war on Russia.” Putin’s brilliance in not only protecting the motherland but also restoring it to some of the glory lost in the collapse of the Soviet Union.

For Putin, the relationship with the West, especially the United States, is a zero-sum game. The West looks for “peace” and “better” relations, while Putin needs victories to bolster his regime during very bleak economic times. His overarching goal is a new “Yalta” meaning a real or imagined
agreement between America and Russia followed by a geographical division into “spheres of influence,” which Putin, as an ardent Soviet patriot, would love to reconstruct. As for any Russian leader, an invitation to the White House would result in a huge domestic political boost.

As to Trump, his agenda seems to boil down to one thing, which is to succeed where Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton failed. His leitmotif seems to be “you could not handle Putin but I can.” It is here where the danger of the “informal summit” lurks. In his efforts to “manage” Putin, Trump may create an illusion that the United States is ready to meet Russia “halfway” on Crimea, on Ukraine, and on sanctions. By dangling a deal in front of Putin that he cannot possibly deliver because of fierce opposition from Congress, the American public, and almost certainly from his own top advisers, Trump may turn a merely hostile Putin into a disappointed Putin, which is far more dangerous.
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http://thehill.com/opinion/international/397037-get-ready-for-summit-with-no-agenda-and-calculated-risks
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2018 01:38 pm
@MontereyJack,
https://images.dailykos.com/images/513984/story_image/IDIOT_OR_TRAITOR.jpg?1520006211
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