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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 12:09 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
Yes but there was no need to create such a harsh and expensive chaotic deterrent. The number of people crossing the borders have been going down for years; both illegally and legally.
Six months in jail for a first offense (and two years for subsequent offenses) is harsh?

Trump disagrees on the need for this. He thinks there is a need.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 01:06 pm
Corker: Trump rhetoric 'diminishing' American leadership around the world

By Manu Raju and Elizabeth Landers, CNN
July 11, 2018

CNN) — Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker bluntly warned Wednesday that US influence around the world is "diminishing" and said that President Donald Trump's comments about NATO have been "damaging" to American leadership in an apparent effort to "tear apart" a critical alliance.

Corker has grown increasingly unnerved about Trump's sharp attacks against NATO, raising alarms that the President's rhetoric and actions have "destabilized" a key part of the post-World War II order.

"It's palpable," Corker said when asked if Trump has damaged US standing around the world. "The concern people have is to our reliability."

Corker added that "I do worry" Trump is trying to "tear apart" NATO.

"I believe that America's leadership around the world has made the world safer for Americans and has made the world a better place," said Corker, a second-term Tennessee Republican. "And when I see that leadership diminishing, and us trying to break apart alliances that we created, it troubles me."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/11/politics/bob-corker-trump-america/index.html
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 01:08 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Corker:

Is irrelevant.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 01:14 pm
https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/WYcjWbPDYKWeASjIgvNqmIAaoFc=/768x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/borowitz-trump-stupid-people-56ea5f345f9b581f344dd783.jpg
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 01:20 pm
Donald Trump is ill-prepared to face Vladimir Putin

By Paul Koring. Published on Jul 8, 2018

Outsmarted by an adult film star, outmaneuvered by a 30-something murderous dictator, abandoned by former flunkies, and facing increasingly likely indictment or impeachment, the beleaguered President Donald Trump is ill-prepared to face Vladimir Putin, a proven — if malevolent — player on the world stage.

The pair is set to meet for a high-stakes summit next Monday in Helsinki.

The notoriously thin-skinned Trump will be at the end of a long travel week, during which he will have faced concerted pushback after hectoring unamused NATO leaders and massive anti-Trump protests in Britain.

The sometime reality show star boasts he’s great at power summitry.

Not likely.

So far Trump has proven bombastic, but incapable of delivering on grandiose boasts of successes. Crowing victory, Trump returns empty-handed leaving allies irked and adversaries gloating.

In Beijing, Trump fell for being treated like a visiting potentate and succumbed to the flattery. He gushingly told China’s communist President Xi Jinping: “My feeling toward you is an incredibly warm one.”

But the promised trade breakthrough never materialized despite Trump’s gifting Xi with a blanket exoneration: “How can you blame China for taking advantage of people that had no clue? I would’ve done same!” Trump said, blaming his predecessors.

And now that supposedly triumphal state visit is a full-blown Sino-America trade war with Trump and Xi both slapping on billions in tariffs.

Trump’s performance in his bizarrely public Singapore bromance with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un was even less credible and potentially catastrophic, given Pyongyang’s arsenal of ballistic missiles tipped with nuclear warheads.

Trump heaped praise on Kim for the way he rules his impoverished pariah state but, as usual, saved the highest accolades for himself.

“If not for me,” there would be nuclear war between North Korea and the United States, Trump tweeted.

The more mundane reality is that a sitting president and supposed leader of the free world bestowed the honour of a face-to-face meeting with the blood-stained thug ruling a terrorism-sponsoring state. Then Trump caved and delivered a key concession by scrapping America’s joint military exercises with South Korea. So Kim walked away with two unearned, but valuable points from a president smitten with the notion of a Nobel Peace Prize.

To underscore Kim’s continuing contempt, U.S. intelligence and commercial satellites have confirmed ongoing construction at nuclear and ballistic missile facilities. And to rub it in, Kim refused to meet with U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo last week and instead heaped scorn on the Trump administration’s “gangster-like demands” that North Korea unilaterally “de-nuke.”

Instead of the history-making moment as described in Trump’s propaganda video which proclaimed: “A new story, a new beginning, one of peace. Two men, two leaders, one destiny. A story in a special moment in time,” the Singapore summit now seems a historic blunder, if not craven appeasement.

Helsinki could be far worse.

Putin, the former KGB operative who has ruled Russia since 2000 (even during Dmitry Medvedev’s nominal presidency) makes Kim look like a little-leaguer. Putin has outsmarted and outmanoeuvred previous presidents over the invasion and annexation of Crimea and the war in Georgia. And by way of skillful military backing of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, Putin eclipsed the United States in determining the outcome of the Syrian civil war and restored Russia’s role as a great power in the Middle East.

Notwithstanding Trump’s denials, Putin also undermined the legitimacy of U.S. elections with a vast, sophisticated infowar campaign. Whether there was active collusion between the Kremlin and Trump is not known, but Trump openly admires the Russian leader.

So far, the prelude to the summit is music to Kremlin ears.

Just as he did at the Canadian-hosted G7 meeting prior to leaving early for his date with Kim, Trump has been savaging allies and flattering adversaries.

“I’m gonna tell NATO: ‘You gotta start paying your bills. The United States is not gonna take care of everything,’” Trump told a cheering rally recently. Then, apparently unaware that Article 5 of the NATO treaty is a mandatory mutual defence pact, Trump publicly suggested the United States might no longer come to the defence of Germany.

“You know, Angela [Merkel], I can’t guarantee it, but we’re protecting you, and it means a lot more to you … because I don’t know how much protection we get by protecting you.”

Meanwhile Trump insists that getting along with Putin won’t be hard and that he’ll be ready for Helsinki.

Already he has hinted he might recognize Russia’s unilateral annexation of Crimea and blamed Obama for failing to stop it, not Putin for succeeding.

“President Obama lost Crimea, just so you understand,” he said.

As for bestowing legitimacy on Russia’s claim to Crimea, Trump pointed out that Putin has “spent a lot of money on rebuilding it.”

Blaming his predecessors and openly admiring America’s adversaries for seizing advantage is Trump’s standard explanation.

“You know what? Putin’s fine. He’s fine. We’re all fine. We’re people. Will I be prepared? Totally prepared. I’ve been preparing for this stuff my whole life,” Trump said.

But the stage already favours the wily and experienced Russian leader. Putin goes to Helsinki fresh from a successful hosting of the World Cup where Russia has attracted a global audience impressed by the host nation on and off the field. Putin will likely be at the final game in Moscow with a worldwide television audience the day before the summit.

Meanwhile, Trump will arrive after a hectic week of contentious talks with allies infuriated by trade skirmishes, accusations of military malingering and personal insults. He hates travelling —except to his golf courses — so combined with a week spent dodging protesters, he’s primed to be well on edge before he ever sets foot in Helsinki.
https://ipolitics.ca/2018/07/08/donald-trump-is-ill-prepared-to-face-vladimir-putin/
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 01:24 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Donald Trump is ill-prepared to face Vladimir Putin

Trump is ready. Men like John Kelly and John Bolton and others have his back and have filled him in thoroughly.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 01:39 pm
https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/putintoon02.jpg?w=620
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 04:09 pm
There are rumors that Queen Elizabeth has been trying to find a way out of having tea with Donald Trump tomorrow...
https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/7855003026cca8ab043706a7b50ca0c8/5B98FE5D/t51.2885-15/e35/12826235_234754460200768_582062091_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTIwMTIwNzA0Mzg0NjUyNzEwMw%3D%3D.2

I think the meeting between the two should be called. "The height of class meets the height of crass." Laughing
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 04:17 pm
@firefly,
The contrast is so extreme, there will never be another comparison like it. It can be used as an example in schools on a course in Foreign Affairs on the Democracies of the 21st Century and the Presidencies of the United States.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 04:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Don't tempt fate, the same was said about Dubya, then along comes Trump.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 04:22 pm
@izzythepush,
At least Dubya wasn't a supporter of Russian and other tyrannical leaders.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 04:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
At least Dubya wasn't a supporter of Russian and other tyrannical leaders.

Such short memories, it must be the age. Bush 43 was mocked for "looking into his eyes..." and if memory serves me, he even invited him to his ranch, the left went bonkers with how friendly Bush was with a Russian leader.

Let's also not forget the famous Obama hot mic moment from before the 2012 election when he assured the outgoing Russia leader that he could pass on to Putin his congratulation for winning and then promising that he "would have more flexibility after the election."

Let us also not forget that Obama didn't see Russia as a geo-political foe during the 2012 election and mocked Romney for his "80's Foreign Policy".
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 06:28 pm
@coldjoint,
Corker is completely correct
..
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 07:34 pm
@Baldimo,
From FP. https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/11/06/the-seduction-of-george-w-bush/
Quote:
Artyom Korotayev/Epsilon/Getty Images
In the summer of 2006, President George W. Bush was relaxing at Camp David with the visiting prime minister of Denmark when the conversation turned to Vladimir Putin. It had been five years since Bush memorably peered into the Russian leader’s soul. But now hope had been replaced by exasperation.

Bush regaled his guest with stories of aggravating private dealings with Putin that underscored their growing rift. Bush was astonished that Putin had tried to influence him by offering to hire a close friend of the president’s and he found Putin’s understanding of the world disconnected from reality. “He’s not well informed,” Bush groused. “It’s like arguing with an eighth grader with his facts wrong.”


However, you are correct about George W Bush's approval rating. It was as low a 25. However, the majority now rate GW Bush highly. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/370186-poll-majority-have-favorable-view-of-george-w-bush
I take it you're not the majority.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2018 07:46 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Corker is completely correct

And completely irrelevant, he is out politics soon, and has zero to say that matters to anyone but Trump haters.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2018 06:53 am
The liar-in-chief is still at it...

Trump’s False Claims at NATO

By Eugene Kiely, D'Angelo Gore and Robert Farley
Posted on July 12, 2018

At the NATO summit in Brussels, President Donald Trump made several false statements about the defense spending of the member countries.

•The president falsely said “prior to last year” the amount other NATO countries spent on defense “was going down and down very substantially.” In fact, NATO Europe and Canada increased defense spending in 2015 and 2016.

•Trump also was wrong when he said that “many countries [in NATO] owe us a tremendous amount of money for many years back, where they’re delinquent … because the United States has had to pay for them.” Countries in the alliance that spend less than 2 percent of their GDP on their own defense are not required to pay countries that do.

•The president repeatedly claimed that “everyone has agreed to substantially up their commitment.” But leaders of several European nations later said there were no formal agreements to increase spending beyond previously set goals.
Read more here
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/trumps-false-claims-at-nato/
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2018 09:13 am
@firefly,
Quote:
The liar-in-chief is still at it...

Do you have some quotes from Obama?
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2018 09:17 am
More lies from Trump...

After humiliating Theresa May in a Sun interview, Trump dismissed the Sun article as "fake news". But the interview was taped, and his comments were accurately reported by the Sun.
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/149880/trumps-press-conference-britain-incredibly-awkward

His lies are getting more transparent than ever, and his attempts at damage control less effective than ever.

The size of the crowds in London protesting Trump are staggering, and many of them address the man's personal character deficits. And even Fox News is giving them continuing coverage. At least he brings people together to protest him.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2018 09:26 am
@firefly,
Quote:
His lies are getting more transparent than ever, and his attempts at damage control less effective than ever.

Last time I checked he was still president. Who cares what the UK thinks? They have no choice but to remain our ally no matter what Trump says. Trump just wants Europe out of our pockets.
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