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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 05:14 pm
@Baldimo,
Are American infants better than Mexican infants?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 05:18 pm
@maporsche,
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Are American infants better than Mexican infants?

Being American has no value to you? So much for any kind of unity.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 05:21 pm
@coldjoint,
A random American infant has no more value to me than a random Mexican infant.

At least none that I can imagine.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 05:30 pm
@maporsche,
American infants are American citizens and have a right to be in the US, citizens from other countries, Mexico or not, don't have a right to be here.
Besides, infants don't attend schools, so it's a BS argument. Virtue signal much?

Are Mexican children more deserving of US taxpayer money than US children?
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 05:32 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

American infants are American citizens and have a right to be in the US, citizens from other countries, Mexico or not, don't have a right to be here.
Besides, infants don't attend schools, so it's a BS argument. Virtue signal much?

Are Mexican children more deserving of US taxpayer money than US children?


I believe in open borders so, yeah, I think the Mexican infant has as much right to US taxpayer money as any infant in our country does.

Gosh, think if they stay here what a positive impact they'll have on our country and our economy.


And why are you bringing up schools? I'm not.


Someone was suggesting that a baby-boom is just-the-thing our country needs. Bring in millions of immigrant babies to get it kickstarted....or is there something wrong with that?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 05:58 pm
@maporsche,
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I believe in open borders so, yeah, I think the Mexican infant has as much right to US taxpayer money as any infant in our country does.

I see how you twisted that, you threw "in our country" into the mix. The question isn't about those who are already here, it's about those who aren't here and shouldn't come here.

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Gosh, think if they stay here what a positive impact they'll have on our country and our economy.

So far it isn't a positive impact on our school funding, the more illegal immigrants you push into the school system, the more you dilute the money for US citizens. We need to limit immigration period, I don't care where they come from. Besides, aren't most of these current immigrants from south of Mexico? Why aren't they seeking "asylum" there? This is the farce of our current policy, the majority of those seeking asylum are not "fleeing" anything but a shitty country. If they were really "fleeing" something, they would have asked for help in the first country they came to, like Mexico, they didn't, they want in the US.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/80-percent-of-asylum-cases-at-southwest-border-arent-legitimate-dhs-chief-says

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And why are you bringing up schools? I'm not.

You replied to my post, which was a reply to someone else. Did you not see the bit about education and schools? When you are talking about children and "opportunity", education and schools are central. If they weren't, coming to the US would be enough and we wouldn't have to spend taxpayer money to educate illegal immigrant children from other nations. Don't be daft.

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@cicerone imposter,
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All children should be given the opportunities to succeed. They are the future of this world.

All children should be given an opportunities, but since when did it become the job of the USA to educate all the children of the world?

So don't comment on my comment and then play dumb as to the content you replied to, it shows poorly on you.

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Someone was suggesting that a baby-boom is just-the-thing our country needs. Bring in millions of immigrant babies to get it kickstarted....or is there something wrong with that?

Who's going to pay for it? Oh, that's right, the US taxpayer, I forget we are doing such a fine job with all the people we have now... you liberals and your bottomless pockets of cash.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 06:03 pm
@Baldimo,
Once someone steps into our border, I'm 100% fine with treating them like we treat any other citizen. Those who aren't here, but want to come here, well, bring us your poor and huddled masses yearning to be free.

Can't do much to control how other countries treat their occupants, but we do have a choice for people on our soil.

These children most often will come with parents who will find jobs. Once we take out the "illegality" of their citizenship, then that becomes much easier.

I was responding to your "not all are American's" statement (as if that denotes that they are somehow more worthy of something). Sorry, I didn't read the rest of the post.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 06:28 pm
@maporsche,
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bring us your poor and huddled masses yearning to be free.


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Since Lazarus’ poem was mounted on a plaque, it is not actually inscribed on the Statue of Liberty. The only Statue of Liberty inscription can be found on the tablet in her left hand, which says JULY IV MDCCLXXVI (July 4, 1776), the day the United States adopted the Declaration of Independence.

https://www.howtallisthestatueofliberty.org/what-is-the-quote-on-the-statue-of-liberty/
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 07:32 pm
@maporsche,
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Once someone steps into our border, I'm 100% fine with treating them like we treat any other citizen.

Agreed to a point, there should be privileges for those who come legally and of course US citizens should always be considered first when spending taxpayer money is considered.

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Those who aren't here, but want to come here, well, bring us your poor and huddled masses yearning to be free.

Sorry, but that has never actually been part of our immigration policy, it's a poem. Our country has changed, we are no longer looking for bodies to settle the nation, we are now at a point where we should be selective on who we allow to enter our country.

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Can't do much to control how other countries treat their occupants, but we do have a choice for people on our soil.

We also don't have to let everyone in that wants to come. As a sovereign nation, we have that choice.

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These children most often will come with parents who will find jobs.

They will find jobs they are not permitted to have. That's part of the problem, we need to crack down on the employers and make sure they hire US citizens. If US citizens won't take the jobs, then cut off their welfare. There should be no reason why a illegal immigrant has a job before a US citizen. We have plenty of able bodied but lazy people.

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I was responding to your "not all are American's" statement (as if that denotes that they are somehow more worthy of something). Sorry, I didn't read the rest of the post.

Of course you didn't read the whole post, you were virtue signaling and trying to setup some BS argument I didn't make. Nice try though.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 07:35 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

...trying to setup some BS argument I didn't make. Nice try though.


I simply asked a question. Is that wrong?

One that I still don't think you've answered.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 07:37 pm
I don't give 2 shits if it's just a poem or not.

It has meant something to America for centuries. It has meant something to the millions of immigrants that we call our forefathers.

It should mean something today and I'd argue that it does, to many.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 07:51 pm
@maporsche,
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It has meant something to America for centuries

You more or less have said being American does not matter, why does it when it comes to this poem?
And it has not been centuries. 1883 is 135 years ago, not even a century and a half.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 10:10 pm
https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/immigtoon01.jpg?w=620
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 12:01 am
@firefly,
Get real. Trump is doing what he promised. I suggest you deal with it.It has everything to do with America, and nothing to do with personal gain.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:05 am
http://www.michaelbihovsky.com/trump-deadly-sins.jpg
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revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 07:31 am
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Republican strategist Steve Schmidt, one of the GOP's loudest critics of President Trump, renounced the party early Wednesday and announced that he will begin voting for Democrats.

Schmidt slammed Trump in a Twitter thread, saying he was leaving the party that once ended slavery.

"29 years and nine months ago I registered to vote and became a member of The Republican Party which was founded in 1854 to oppose slavery and stand for the dignity of human life," Schmidt tweeted.

"Today I renounce my membership in the Republican Party. It is fully the party of Trump," he added.


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29 years and nine months ago I registered to vote and became a member of The Republican Party which was founded in 1854 to oppose slavery and stand for the dignity of human life. Today I renounce my membership in the Republican Party. It is fully the party of Trump.

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It is corrupt, indecent and immoral. With the exception of a few Governors like Baker, Hogan and Kasich it is filled with feckless cowards who disgrace and dishonor the legacies of the party’s greatest leaders. This child separation policy is connected to the worst abuses of

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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:14 am
@revelette1,
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he will begin voting for Democrats.

Big deal. Do you think his one vote will swing an election? He is just an establishment suck puppy, a dime a dozen on cable news.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:15 am
@revelette1,
Speaking of Steve Schmidt, there are signs that he was having second thoughts about the GOP as early as last year. Here's his answer to a question that was asked of him on his birthday last September.

Question: What’s a fun fact that people in Washington might not know about you?

Schmidt: “I have an absolutely perfect infallible photographic memory when it comes to every Russian I’ve ever met in my life.”
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:22 am
@Blickers,
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Schmidt: “I have an absolutely perfect infallible photographic memory when it comes to every Russian I’ve ever met in my life.”

No conceit there. Does he hang out with Russians?
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 02:28 pm
I'm posting this in two threads because I think issues like this may also affect how voters feel about Trump's integrity--particularly if this winds up in a criminal case..

New York civil suit against Trump could be a federal case
By The Editorial Board
June 19, 2018

They say no good deed goes unpunished.

But what if the deeds weren’t good at all?

The New York attorney general’s office is no stranger to going after charities that have behaved badly. But current Attorney General Barbara Underwood’s extensive, extraordinary lawsuit against the Donald J. Trump Foundation brings the meaning of self-dealing to a new level.

If the suit’s allegations prove true — and the evidence cited is strong — the foundation existed as little more than Trump’s personal, professional and political piggy bank.

Underwood’s allegations of flagrant disregard for state and federal laws would be stupefying with respect to any charity, but are particularly disturbing given the foundation’s connections to the president and his campaign. In the filing, Trump’s foundation is described as “an empty shell” without a functioning board of directors since at least 1999. It alleges that Trump used his foundation to settle legal claims against his for-profit businesses, including one with a golfer who sought winnings for making a hole-in-one at Trump National Golf Club in Westchester.

The more alarming accusations claim the foundation engaged in political activities connected to and coordinated with Trump’s presidential campaign. If proved, that’s a clear violation of federal election law, as well as New York’s election law.

Remember Trump’s hyped fundraiser for veterans in Iowa before that state’s 2016 caucuses? In the days after the event, the lawsuit alleges, campaign staff, including then-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, directed how and when charitable contributions from the foundation to veterans charities would be made. Large checks bearing the foundation’s name were presented at campaign rallies.

In a world where Trump’s many business interests are intertwined with his presidency, where his fixer, Michael Cohen, is accused of making payments through a shell company to hush a porn star who says she had an affair with Trump, and where Trump’s children’s business dealings have come under fire, this monkey business with his charitable foundation might seem like just another day at the office. It’s not.

In any other presidency, at any other time, these accusations would be enormously damaging. But this presidency is already overtaken by other controversies. Still, the accusations made against Trump and his foundation won’t be swept aside.

Trump has called the case “ridiculous” and promised not to settle. The state’s case certainly will play out for all to see, but it mustn’t stop there. Underwood made referrals to both the Internal Revenue Service and the Federal Election Commission, and sent her complaint to the U.S. Department of Justice’s criminal division. There’s enough evidence in the referrals alone to generate further investigation to see whether a federal civil or criminal case is appropriate and whether a new independent counsel should be appointed.

After all, even real estate developer Trump would know that if the foundation is cracked, and all that’s left is an empty shell, the house of self-dealing probably won’t stand for long. — The editorial board
https://www.newsday.com/opinion/editorial/trump-foundation-1.19308377
 

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