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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 20 Dec, 2017 04:03 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
If we take both houses impeachment will be first on the agenda I'm sure.

While I can see how a party as unethical as the modern Democrats would consider impeaching an innocent president after they let Bill Clinton off the hook for real felonies, such an impeachment would fail.

A successful impeachment of Trump will require both of two things.

First, credible evidence that Trump committed serious crimes while in office.

Second, a reason why anyone should care after the Democrats let Bill Clinton off the hook for committing serious crimes while in office.

Right now the Democrats have neither of these things.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Dec, 2017 11:15 pm
@oralloy,
What was Clinton's crime that deserved impeachment?
oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Wed 20 Dec, 2017 11:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Bill Clinton was proven to have committed the following felonies: perjury in a civil trial, perjury before a grand jury, witness tampering, and obstruction of justice.

Then there was his sexual relationship with a subordinate, which is typically a firing offense.

The allegations of sexual assault and outright rape that some women made against him were pretty credible too.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2017 08:29 am
A new generation of young black politicians is coming – the Democrats should listen (TG)


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The recent upset in the special election for US Senate in Alabama has Democrats fantasizing about a 2018 wave election, and rightfully so. When you couple the Doug Jones narrow win in Alabama with the big victories in Virginia and New Jersey, Democrats have every right to feel optimistic.

There is, however, one obvious similarity in each race: strong African American turnout fueled Democratic candidates to victory.

Boosting African American turnout will continue to be the key to Democratic victories in 2018. And I encourage Democrats to use the campaigns of two, young progressive mayors in the deep south as a blueprint for effective engagement with black voters.

Chokwe Lumumba, the self-described revolutionary mayor of Mississippi’s largest city, is just as forceful in his plan to fill Jackson’s potholes as he is about Mississippi’s oppressive state flag.

Randall Woodfin became the youngest mayor in the history of Birmingham by campaigning on aggressive blight elimination and a comprehensive public safety plan that allowed him to crack the code on black infrequent voters, particularly 11,000 that had never voted in a municipal election.

What do Lumumba and Woodfin have to do with Democrats in 2018?
Both campaigns reassembled the Obama coalition in high-population areas where Democrats must run up the score in order to win statewide races.

The Obama coalition is re-emerging in places like Jackson and Birmingham. And it’s being led by young, black politicians, and maverick black political firms like Pine Street Strategies.

It is no coincidence that the city of Birmingham and Jefferson County came out for Jones at a rate that nearly matched Hillary Clinton. The value of these races extends beyond votes, as many Woodfin campaign staffers, organizers and volunteers brought invaluable experience to efforts to elect Jones.

Bold candidates like Lumumba and Woodfin enhance Democratic voter files with newly identified voters, ultimately leaving behind campaign infrastructure that can be inherited and leveraged in future statewide races.

So, what is the playbook for 2018 that gets Democrats the turnout they need to support a wave election?

It starts with having candidates like Woodfin and Lumumba. Young, progressive candidates of color like Stacey Abrams, Andrew Gillum, Ian Conyers and Jermaine Reed. Each bring with them personal narratives that can establish credibility with millennials and voters of color, tapping into the excitement of the progressive base benefiting Democrats up and down the ballot.
Blickers
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2017 09:31 am
@revelette1,
Sounds good. They can't steal all the votes from the new black voters, they can only partially hold it down. Plus, we should also pay attention to what happened in Virginia and encourage more women to run. Most of the new legislators in Virginia that overturned the long standing Republican majority were women.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2017 09:59 am
@Blickers,
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Hillary did not represent the 1%, though they found her husband so competent in running the economy that they can live with her.

Who are you trying to fool? Hillary was 100% supported by the 1% as well as the "evil" corps who you seem to hate so much.
Goldman Sachs Political Contributions 2016:
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=d000000085

Not to mention the the majority of the top wealthiest people in the world live in the US, they are all left leaning. How about those Hollywood stars? Who do you think they were giving money to, it sure as hell hasn't been anyone from the GOP.

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Trump was more of a maverick than many conservatives like, but take a look at what he's done-go after Obamacare, put forward a tax bill which immensely favors the wealthy. And the white nationalist, anti-minority themes that Trump rode to victory on were stoked by the mainstream conservatives in previous years as well. Trump just took them to a higher level than they wanted.

The rest of this comment is just pure leftist claptrap.

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??? The 1% isn't a tax bracket, it's the 1% of households with the most wealth, as defined by Zucman.

Fair enough. They still do not make up 1% of the population or even 1% of the taxpayer rolls.

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And while we are at it, it does not matter how many individual people were in the top 1% in 1980 versus 2012, the important thing is that the wealthiest 1% of the households in 2012 had a much larger share of the wealth in 2012 than the top 1% of the households had in 1980.

Sure it matters. If there were only 100,000 people in this group in 1980 and now there are almost 900,000, that means there is indeed upward mobility to this level of wealth, and it would make sense if the population of the 1% increased that there would be more of the total wealth in that group. Using your terminology, their "share" would have grown as more people entered this area of wealth, which also goes with the fact that our economy has also grown mostly thanks to the innovation known as the internet. The numbers of people it made wealthy who took advantage of it, would be the ones responsible for the growth in our economy. Internet jobs and tech jobs alone have created a whole group of people, myself included, who would have had different lives. I was a carpenter in the late 90's before going to a "for profit college" to learn about computers. My income now is double what it would have been if I would have stayed slinging nails.

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It doesn't matter how the population "feels" about it, the chart merely mentions what percentage of the total wealth of the country goes to the wealthiest 1%. That share is increasing.

Why?

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You have tried every conceivable method of changing the subject to some irrelevancy, from what a tax bracket is to how the population emotionally feels about something, because you are desperate to avoid the simple truth the chart shows:

I haven't tried to change the subject, I've tried to explain to you the why's it has happened. You've only hinted that it was through unethical means. I accept the chart and it doesn't bother me the way it bothers you. I understand how commerce works, do you?

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The wealthiest 1% of the households have gone from owning less than a quarter of the country's total wealth in 1980 to owning nearly half of the country's total wealth in 2012.

How did it happen? Answer this if you can.

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And you'll be posting so what, the 1% work hard for their wealth, they deserve to own 99% of everything, and everybody who disagrees with you is a Marxist.

You haven't proven that they don't work for their wealth. How did they get it?

Not everyone who disagree's with me, just those like yourself. Depending on how you want to fix the issue shows if you are a Marxist or not. So far you haven't even answered that question.

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How the wealthiest 1% came into their wealth is irrelevant,

It's not irrelevant, it is perfectly relevant. If they earned that money honestly then how do you propose to take it from them? They aren't like drug dealers or mafia leaders who fall under RICO statutes. If they earned that money, what right do you have to take larger and larger portions of it? At what percentage of the economy will you be satisfied with the 1% only having or earning "their fair share"?

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the important thing is that they used to own less than a quarter of the wealth in 1980, they own nearly half now and in forty years they will own 99% of the wealth unless we DO something to prevent it happening.

What do you propose?

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Which you and people like you will try to prevent happening, because your favorite radio show keeps telling you how intrinsically virtuous the 1% are and how much they are to be admired, and you believe it.

I don't admire the 1%, I admire people who have made something of themselves, it is one of the reasons I'm more interested in what people in other income brackets think about what is taking place and not people like you who want to limit the argument to the 1%. You on the other hand want everyone turned against this one group of people without regard for how they got there. You wonder why I point to Marx in relation to this topic?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2017 10:01 am
@glitterbag,
I addressed the wrong person. Chill out. If I could change it, I would point back to blickers. Once again my apologies.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2017 10:50 am
WATCH LIVE as the United Nations General Assembly votes on a resolution demanding the U.S. rescind its recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

If Jerusalem is already Israel's capital would someone please tell the United Nations... (cynical)

https://www.facebook.com/newshour/videos/10156067414833675/
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2017 10:55 am
Control of Virginia's Legislature Comes Down to Drawing Lots
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/virginia-democrats-house-of-delegates-election/548846/

revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2017 10:56 am
@TheCobbler,
How biblical. Laughing I hope we win.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2017 11:01 am
@TheCobbler,
UN Jerusalem Vote Updates (Independent)

PBS UN General assembly Votes
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2017 11:51 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote Baldimo:
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Who are you trying to fool? Hillary was 100% supported by the 1% as well as the "evil" corps who you seem to hate so much.
Really? Did the Koch Bros support her?

Quote Baldimo:
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Not to mention the the majority of the top wealthiest people in the world live in the US, they are all left leaning. How about those Hollywood stars?
You are a typical example of early 21st century man whose mind is controlled by celebrity worship. Yes, a few rich stars are left leaning, but in the past 35 years unions have grown weak and we still don't have universal health care to match the rest of the developed world. We used to be rated high for standard of living among even the most developed nations-now we are in the lower fringe of the top rank, just ahead of the newly free Eastern European nations. That's not the work of leftists-the "lefty" Western European nations US conservatives are aghast at have passed the US in standard of living. But that's okay-a few Hollywood stars and a handful of industrialists lean left, and that's all you need to be convinced the Right has not been in charge. By the way, whatever happened to free college? If the top 1% really was left-leaning, that would have been in place a generation ago.

Quote Blickers:
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And while we are at it, it does not matter how many individual people were in the top 1% in 1980 versus 2012, the important thing is that the wealthiest 1% of the households in 2012 had a much larger share of the wealth in 2012 than the top 1% of the households had in 1980.

Quote Baldimo:
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Sure it matters. If there were only 100,000 people in this group in 1980 and now there are almost 900,000, that means there is indeed upward mobility to this level of wealth, and it would make sense if the population of the 1% increased that there would be more of the total wealth in that group.

You're talking uneducated nonsense. It doesn't matter how many people strive to get into the top 1% of wealth, only 1 out of a hundred will achieve it under any circumstances. This is fourth grade math, and this is about the fourth time you've made this mistake. Stop it already, you're wrong.

Quote Baldimo:
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You haven't proven that they [the 1%] don't work for their wealth. How did they get it?

Any number of ways, including some good ones. But the accumulation of wealth by fewer and fewer and fewer people is now shifting the balance of political power to the top 1%, and such things as free college, universal healthcare, and a host of other things are being left behind in America, while the rest of the developed world enjoys them. We once had the highest standard of living, now have slipped far behind the leaders.

Quote Baldimo:
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I'm more interested in what people in other income brackets [besides the top 1%] think about what is taking place and not people like you who want to limit the argument to the 1%.
When it comes to wealth share, the 1% are the ONLY people worth looking at, because ALL other people besides them have LOST wealth share in the last 37 years. Even the people between the top 1% and top 10% have lost wealth significant wealth share to the 1%. In short, the top 1% are sucking up all the wealth growth in the entire country, and so of course you want to look at everyone BUT the 1%. How typical.

https://imgur.com/WHyki02.jpg



TheCobbler
 
  0  
Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2017 10:34 am
I won't be posting anymore here:

Tired of the people on this forum.

RexRed's Music
https://able2know.org/topic/214310-1

My songs have been consistently voted down by some troll here and no one has thought to be considerate enough to vote them up.

And A2k is perfectly okay with anonymous trolls voting.

It is just not worth my time when there are no real lasting friendships here.


oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2017 11:18 am
@TheCobbler,
Izzythepush has been following me around voting down nearly every single one of my posts for some seven years now.

I normally focus on voting up posts by fellow conservatives (who tend to be the main target of such abuse), but I'd likely vote up one of your posts if I noticed that you had politely stated something and been voted down (even if I disagreed with your point). Unfortunately I don't tend to pay any attention to music threads, and can't vote up posts that I never see.

As far as online friendships go, there is probably a limit to how well people can get to know each other on a political messageboard. I don't like it when you engage in name-calling, especially against gun rights activists. But when you're not name-calling I think you're all right.

I'll go sweep through your music thread and vote up your posts. But remember that I don't pay attention to music threads so will not be able to regularly upvote you there all the time.

Plus, I can only make a single vote on a given post.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2017 12:55 pm
@oralloy,
What's your problem? Gun rights are guaranteed by our Constitution. The other side of this is the simple fact that more guns means more accidents and killings. If we wish to keep our citizens safe, we must control the ownership of guns.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2017 01:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
What's your problem?

I dislike having my rights violated.


cicerone imposter wrote:
Gun rights are guaranteed by our Constitution.

That does not prevent the Democrats from trying to violate this right.


cicerone imposter wrote:
The other side of this is the simple fact that more guns means more accidents and killings.

More accidents, yes. But guns are not as dangerous as cars or swimming pools.

More killings, no. People are just as dead if they are murdered with a knife.


cicerone imposter wrote:
If we wish to keep our citizens safe, we must control the ownership of guns.

The gun ban movement doesn't care about safety. They just hate the idea of freedom and civil rights.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2017 03:17 pm
@oralloy,
How have dems violated their rights to own guns?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2017 06:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
How have dems violated their rights to own guns?

Unjustified gun bans are a violation of the right to own guns.

Preventing people from having guns (when there is no justification for such prevention) is a violation of the right to own guns.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2017 07:09 pm
@oralloy,
What "unjustified gun bans" are you talking about?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2017 07:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Bans on pistol grips on a rifle are one example. There is no justification for banning pistol grips on a rifle.
 

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