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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 05:20 pm
Healthcare IS a human right considering the preamble of the US Constitution guarantees it.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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Domestic tranquility, common defense, general welfare....

THIS is healthcare and even more...

How can you INSURE "domestic tranquility, common defense, general welfare" without healthcare as a human right?

The preamble supersedes all successive amendments.

YES the constitution INSURES healthcare as a human right. THIS is why you cannot be refused at a hospital.

The issues is "how" is the best way to insure healthcare as a human right not whether if it is a human right or not...

Anyone with a conscience knows healthcare is vital to insure domestic tranquility.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 05:30 pm
@TheCobbler,
You bring up a good point, but "general welfare" can be interpreted in many different ways. That's the reason why we still don't enjoy UHC.
BTW, I'm an advocate for UHC. As the richest country in the world, we can cut our spending on defense, and use it on UHC.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 05:58 pm
I would rather see the ayatollah of Iran confirmed as a US Supreme Court judge than see a Trump nominee confirmed.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 07:31 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
President Trump does not have a right to nominate a court appointee with his political views considering his presidency is illegitimate due to Russian meddling in our election and news.

Wrong on both counts. Trump's presidency is entirely legitimate. And he has every right to appoint nominees who are dedicated to enforcing the Constitution.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 07:32 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
The preamble supersedes all successive amendments.

Only within the confines of Strict Scrutiny.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 07:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
As the richest country in the world, we can cut our spending on defense, and use it on UHC.

This is why people vote for Republicans. The Left wants to render us defenseless against those who would conquer us.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 07:34 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
I would rather see the ayatollah of Iran confirmed as a US Supreme Court judge than see a Trump nominee confirmed.

Another reason why the voters reject the Left.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 07:38 pm
@oralloy,
Ignorant conclusion on your part.
We spend more than the top seven countries combined. Do you understand the term "over kill?"
The US has over 4000 nuclear warheads.
I worked with nuclear and thermo nuclear weapons in the USAF. Have you played with firecrackers?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 08:57 pm
@TheCobbler,
Quote:
I would rather see the ayatollah of Iran confirmed as a US Supreme Court judge than see a Trump nominee confirmed.


I would rather see Putin nominate a S C judge. Oh wait, this is the same as Trumps nomination.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 09:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Ignorant conclusion on your part.

No, I am well aware of the Left's efforts to render America defenseless.

Because the Left (with the help of a few Republican traitors) slashed the F-22 program, we now have too few air superiority fighters to matter in a fight. The next time we get in a major war, our troops are going to be subjected to serious enemy air attack for the first time since WWII. And because of this deficit, we are actually more likely to end up in that major war.

I hope all those dead soldiers will realize that they were killed because the Left sold them out.

If we fail to defend democracy somewhere, I hope all those oppressed people will realize that they lost their freedom because the Left sold them out.


cicerone imposter wrote:
We spend more than the top seven countries combined.

That is not nearly enough considering the job that our soldiers are required to do around the world.


cicerone imposter wrote:
Do you understand the term "over kill?"

It is a term that doesn't apply here. The Left has crippled our military to the degree that we no longer have the air power to fight a serious opponent.


cicerone imposter wrote:
The US has over 4000 nuclear warheads.

Too bad we don't have enough F-22s to stand up against a serious enemy.


cicerone imposter wrote:
I worked with nuclear and thermo nuclear weapons in the USAF.

And I understand how they work.


cicerone imposter wrote:
Have you played with firecrackers?

Have you?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 09:24 pm
@oralloy,
We have enough allies, aircraft and ICBMs stationed around the world to destroy any country foolish enough to test us.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 01:15 am
@cicerone imposter,
So we should respond to conventional aggression by launching a strategic thermonuclear attack against countervalue targets?

I've never been one to back down from nuclear armageddon if an adversary wants to push things that far, but I'd hate to have to suffer annihilation solely because liberals have disabled all of our conventional forces.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 07:52 am
@Baldimo,
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Maybe you should be more clear about your point instead of beating around the bush.

I made my point. The political discourse is that gun owning is a right, but healthcare is not - but feel free to ignore the words in front of your face.

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Of course you aren't concerned for who is paying the bills for those rights. Once you make a product and a service a "right" then who pays for it is a very big concern. I know, the answer is to raise taxes on the rich blah blah blah. The wealthy, hell the populace, are not the piggy bank for every want and whim and "right" people want.


Again I return to the point - it seems more important that the mentally ill can buy guns than a homeless guy can get cancer treatment. That's not a whim.

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Do you live here? Have you been to a hospital here in the US before? There was a law passed back in 1986 that made it illegal to refuse emergency care at all hospitals in the US. Private hospitals can turn people away but not for emergency care. If you show up with a little cut on your finger a private hospital can tell you to go to a public hospital.


Emergency care. EMERGENCY CARE! But hey you have chronic dental issues - but they're not killing you, quickly.

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Ha ha ha. It's that how it always turns out. Someone calls out another persons "privilege" and when challenged to state what that privilege is, it is always the same response, "Oh, and if you can't see your privilege...". That's BS sjw snowflake talk.


Ah, nice that you fall back on the same bullshit labelling to cover up for sociopathy.

Your privilege is you don't give a **** about anyone worse off than you and you can get away with that. Sorry to call you out on it.

My privilege is I'm an educated middle-aged white male - everything is easier for me. No-one assumes I'm a criminal, susceptible to crazy decisions when I menstruate, police don't target me, men don't wait till I'm drunk to hit on me, I get paid more than women doing the same job, I don't have any historical baggage that's cursed generations of my family. ****, I can even afford health insurance. I'm easily in the top 10% of the world's wealthiest people. I drink clean water out of a tap and my toilet flushes.

What do you have the majority of the rest of the world don't? Nothing I guess, and snowflakes put **** on you on the internet.

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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 11:34 am
@hingehead,
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I made my point. The political discourse is that gun owning is a right, but healthcare is not - but feel free to ignore the words in front of your face.

You keep making the wrong assumption. Health care is a right here in the US. How many links need to be posted to the laws? You like glitterbag is confusing health care with health insurance, they are not the same thing.

The only person ignoring anything is you. You don't live here in the US, so I don't expect you to understand how things work here. Keep on with your ignorance.

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Again I return to the point - it seems more important that the mentally ill can buy guns than a homeless guy can get cancer treatment. That's not a whim.

Apples and oranges not to mention a cheap ploy to use emotions. You continue to speak with no understanding of how our system works. A homeless person would easily qualify for Medicaid and therefor have no issues receiving cancer treatments. The problem is getting a homeless person with other issues, to follow up on appointments. In these cases a lot of people will have social workers who work with them. With over 170 social services available at all levels of govt, there is a program for everything and more than one program to cover some things. Once again you speak from ignorance about the US system.

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Emergency care. EMERGENCY CARE! But hey you have chronic dental issues - but they're not killing you, quickly.

So you can't prove your point on medical care, so you move the goal posts to dental health? Your ignorance about the US system is showing again, Medicaid covers dental health.

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Ah, nice that you fall back on the same bullshit labelling to cover up for sociopathy.
Your privilege is you don't give a **** about anyone worse off than you and you can get away with that. Sorry to call you out on it.

You are not calling me out on anything. You are the one who started with the "privilege" crap.

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My privilege is I'm an educated middle-aged white male - everything is easier for me.

Nice, white guilt you are toting around there. I'm a middle-aged white male and I don't have a college education. I've been to college but I didn't finish, other things got in the way. Since I became an adult, I haven't had an easy life, I've been broke far more than I've had money and my views haven't changed.

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No-one assumes I'm a criminal, susceptible to crazy decisions when I menstruate, police don't target me, men don't wait till I'm drunk to hit on me, I get paid more than women doing the same job, I don't have any historical baggage that's cursed generations of my family. ****, I can even afford health insurance. I'm easily in the top 10% of the world's wealthiest people. I drink clean water out of a tap and my toilet flushes.

How many cliches can you pack into one paragraph? Do I dare address each one knowing you won't do so in kind, you more more than likely reply with more platitudes and cliches.

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No-one assumes I'm a criminal

Have you had a lot of interaction with the police in your home country?

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susceptible to crazy decisions when I menstruate

Really? When you menstruate? I've heard that men also have "their time of the month", but I didn't think we menstruated...

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men don't wait till I'm drunk to hit on me,

Maybe you are hanging out in the wrong bars?

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I get paid more than women doing the same job,

Do you know for a fact that you make more money than a female co-worker with all of the same exact qualification and time in the job as you? Have you asked your female co-workers what they get paid? I can tell you that I have never worked a job where I was paid more than a woman simply because I was a man and I don't think you do either. If that's the case, you need to contact your own politicians in your own country and get that worked out, don't push your BS here in the US, we already have a law on the books talking about equal pay.


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I don't have any historical baggage that's cursed generations of my family.

I do. I'm a 2nd generation Italian/Scilian, and my grandfather talked about the racism he faced while in college. It didn't matter to him, he pushed on and graduated from medical school with honors at Loyola Medical School in Chicago. The difference is my grandfather didn't dwell on it. In fact he went from a poor legal immigrant with and died a multi millionaire. He was the American success story.

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****, I can even afford health insurance.

That goes for a lot of the American public, in fact it goes for the vast majority. Our uninsured were a small percentage of the population. At most they said it was 30 million people and a portion of those people could afford insurance, they just didn't want it.

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I'm easily in the top 10% of the world's wealthiest people.

Where are you on the list for your country, New Zealand I believe? Not quite sure where I sit here in the US, I make under $100k a year. I don't care where I sit though, I'm not concerned with social status or wealth status.

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I drink clean water out of a tap and my toilet flushes.

So do most people in the developed world, including the poor here in the US.

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What do you have the majority of the rest of the world don't? Nothing I guess, and snowflakes put **** on you on the internet.

You put nothing on me, you proved your snowflake status. You expect me to have guilt over things I don't have control of. You might say it was luck I was born in the US. I disagree, I call it good planning on the part of my for bearers. My great-grandfather could have stayed in Sicily and I would have been born there, instead he legally immigrated to the US with my great-grandmother and my grandfather and became US citizens. Unless you think we are just souls floating around prior to birth and some win the lottery and some get the shaft...

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 11:45 am
@Baldimo,
Yea. I thank my forebears for coming to the US too! This country has provided the opportunity to everybody who made the effort to succeed.
Most of our forebears migrated to Hawaii from Japan where they worked on the farms to harvest pineapple and sugarcane. Everything was "upwards" from there.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 11:54 am
@Baldimo,
What I find interesting about US migration history is about the Germans. They have the biggest migration to our country, and the two world wars were with Germany.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 08:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Simple C I, their white.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2017 09:06 pm
@RABEL222,
Did you notice? Trump blamed the democrats for the defeat of his health care bill, but it was his own party. The guy lives in another reality.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2017 04:05 am
@cicerone imposter,
It's the democrats job to defeat legislation like this.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2017 09:55 am
@izzythepush,
So obstruction is ok now?
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