@oralloy,
Quote oralloy:
Quote:The inability to get treated if you have a difficult problem, the unnecessary unpleasant side effects, the substandard cosmetics, and the loss of inheritance, all combine to make Medicaid not so great.
1. On Medicaid you are quite capable of getting treatment for a difficult problem, the whole hospital as at your disposal and you can always go to University Hospitals affiliated with Medical Schools, who have a whole staff of prominent people in the field.
2. "Unnecessary side effects" is a figment of your imagination, although you will continue to say it as if it was fact. You have offered no proof whatsoever.
3. Medicaid doesn't pay for deluxe cosmetics, but they offer the standard cosmetics that many private plans allow. Similarly, they don't offer the deluxe wheelchair with GPS, they pay for the standard wheelchair. As usual, in an effort to take away people's Medicaid and substitute nothing, you are trying to pass off the idea that no cosmetics go with appropriate operations, so when you throw 5 Million people off Medicaid and eliminate their access to health care, it won't seem so horrible.
4. Loss of inheritance: Only applies to people getting Medicaid who are over 55. And it's better than the loss of life, which is what is going to happen when people between $9K and $18K yearly income get thrown off of Medicaid.
Quote oralloy:
Quote:Doesn't have to be a tropical disease. There all all sorts of unusual and uncommon ailments that strike a small number of people.
It is important to be able to be treated when you have an unusual disease.
Says the man who champions the Trumpcare bill which will take away the healthcare of 5 Million people who now have Medicaid and won't be able to afford Trumpcare, even with the tax credits. You can't talk about the need to treat rare diseases when you want to take away 5 Million people's ability to get professionally treated for any disease at all.
Quote oralloy:
Quote:I do have an alternative in place. Give the poor enough that they can afford to buy from the exchanges.
That's the problem. The tax credits from Trumpcare won't even come
close to enabling Medicaid recipients who presently earn between $9K and $18K annually to buy insurance from the exchanges. Instead, Trumpcare will simply throw them off Medicaid with no substitute plan that they can afford. Thousands will die from this. And oh yes, Medicaid has no co-payment. Trumpcare will, and if the recipient makes between $9K and $18K annually, all his money goes for day to day survival and he or she can't pay co-pays.
Quote oralloy:
Quote:I don't think it has been established that these university hospitals are within the network of people on Medicaid.
Yes they are. I looked up this
list of University hospitals, went to the section for the US, and took the first selection of the first 8 states. Going by website or phone call, here are the answers to the question of whether they accept patients with Medicaid.
1. Providence Alaska Medical Center.
Yes.
2. Univ or Alabama Hospital, Birmingham.
Yes
3. Banner University Medical Care Center Phoenix.
Yes.
4. University of Colorado Hospital- University of Colorado School of Medicine.
Yes.
5. St. Vincent's (CT) Medical Center.
Yes.
7. George Washington University Medical Center, (DC).
Yes.
8. U of Florida Medical Center, Jacksonville.
Yes.
All eight of the university medical school affiliated hospitals accepted Medicaid. And just for added emphasis, I looked up these two revered institutions that people from overseas fly over to the US to get treated at:
Memorial Sloan Kettering:
Yes
Mayo Clinic:
Yes.
So virtually all University hospitals accept their state's Medicaid as payment. The world famous Mayo Cinic in Rochester, MN even accepts Medicaid from neighboring North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wisconsin as well.
Medicaid is a comprehensive health care system for the poor with many facets and is opens up the whole modern world of healthcare to the impoverished. To take this away from 5 Million working poor patients is just criminal.
Quote orally:
Quote: It is atrocious how Medicaid mistreats the poor.
That's nonsense. The poor get the treatment they need, starting with General Practitioners, moving up to specialists, and then, if necessary, a University teaching hospital. And medications are free with no copay, since people making under $18K yearly cannot afford them.
Quote oralloy:
Quote:It [Trumpcare] gives them a bit of help to buy from the exchange. I'm all for increasing the degree of help provided.
The bill as written does not supply anwhere near the necessary amount of help, the money from the tax credit won't go near the amount of the premiums. As it was written, a 63 year old man making $18,000 yearly would have to pay $25,000 yearly in Trumpcare premiums. Ryan said they adjusted that, but how much adjusting could they do and still call it the same bill? And if this Trumpcare bill passes, come Jan 1 those working poor making between $9K and $18K annually are off Medicare and not able to afford Trumpcare premiums, even with the tax credits.
Believe it or not, this is not the only thing wrong with Trumpcare, but this is enough to render the bill a disaster for the working poor.
