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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
jcboy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 06:33 pm
A Republican State Senator from Oklahoma might face charges after he was found in a hotel with a "teenage boy." The boy's actual age was redacted from the police report so it's hard to tell if this is a real crime or a fake crime. The charges recommended include 1) soliciting prostitution of a minor, 2) prostitution within 1,000 feet of a church (which is absolute laughable bullshit and not a crime), and 3) transporting for the purpose of prostitution (also bullshit because how else do you get your hooker to the hotel?). I notice none of these charges are "omg holy **** child rape jail forever" so let's see how this plays out.

Oklahoma state senator charged in child prostitution case

Quote:
Child prostitution charges were filed Thursday against an Oklahoma state senator who police say was found with a teenage boy in a motel room in the Oklahoma City suburb of Moore, according to a local prosecutor.

Republican Sen. Ralph Shortey of Oklahoma City was charged with engaging in child prostitution, transporting a minor for prostitution and engaging in prostitution within 1,000 feet of a church.

An arrest warrant has been issued.

Police in Moore have said they're still investigating the circumstances surrounding a March 9 incident involving Shortey and a teenager. Police did not immediately return a phone call for further comment.

Police released a heavily redacted report that said a juvenile boy was found in a motel room with an adult male on March 9. The names of those in the room and the boy's age are redacted in the report.


http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2017/03/16/oklahoma-state-senator-found-with-teen-boy-in-motel-could-face-charges-authorities-say/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1489652181642.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 09:55 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Yet I've known people on Medicaid who were referred to a cardiologist for a cardiac catheter. I've known some who spent over a week in the hospital when on Medicaid.

A single referral for a common procedure is one thing. Getting an HMO to authorize multiple referrals when the first specialist failed to diagnose the problem is quite different.


Blickers wrote:
How much more are you going to try to push this fantasy that if a patient needs a referral, they don't get one?

The ravages that Medicaid inflicts on the poor is not a fantasy.


Blickers wrote:
HMOs and PPOs can be sued for the malpractice of a doctor on their network. But the doctor on the network who refuses to refer a case to the appropriate specialist absolutely is on the hook for malpractice if something bad happens as a refult of lack of referral. So your theory goes out the window.

All I know is HMOs have been denying referrals to people from the day that the first HMO opened for business, and they've been getting away with it.


Blickers wrote:
I don't think General Practitioners perform cardiac catheter operations, so my friend on Medicaid must have gotten a referral.

A single referral for a common procedure is one thing. Getting an HMO to authorize multiple referrals when the first specialist failed to diagnose the problem is quite different.


Blickers wrote:
You are making stuff up,

No. Medicaid really is a bad deal.


Blickers wrote:
if a serious problem comes up from the lack of a referral, the doctor for sure is on the hook for malpractice and the HMO or PPO can be.

I don't know how HMOs get away with denying referrals without being sued. But somehow they do.

PPOs don't deny referrals. People on a PPO can see any specialist they want so long as that specialist is in the network.

Unfortunately Medicaid doesn't have PPOs. It has HMOs (and bad HMOs at that).


Blickers wrote:
You are struggling to make it seem that Medicaid is not much different from the Doctors Without Borders physicians who do the best they can to bring modern medicine to impoverished residents of places without electricity or roads.

Not much of a struggle. All I am doing is pointing out facts.


Blickers wrote:
Medicaid is a comprehensive modern medical system that works, contrary to what you are claiming.

Well, it doesn't work if you want cosmetics more modern than the 1800s. It doesn't work if you want to avoid unpleasant side effects that are unnecessary. It doesn't work if you have an especially difficult health problem. And it doesn't work if you want to pass an inheritance to your children.


Blickers wrote:
Actually, Medicaid is pretty good health care from what I can see, but if you have a plan for improvement, let's hear it.

Give the poor enough money to pay for real insurance.


Blickers wrote:
79% of employers offered PPOs in 2010, years before the ACA went into effect.

That doesn't change the fact that the ACA ended traditional insurance (where there were no networks), and forced people who had been on traditional insurance to get a form of insurance where they would be confined to a network.


Blickers wrote:
Medicaid does allow necessary cosmetics, it does not allow the deluxe version. Nor do private health care plans, in many cases.

Medicaid allows cosmetics from the 1800s. It does not allow cosmetics from the 20th (or 21st) century.

Private health plans allow cosmetics from the 21st century presuming the cosmetics are cheap.


Blickers wrote:
And since your alternative is Trumpcare,which the people being thrown off Medicaid by Trumpcare cannot afford, you are downgrading Medicaid, so that the people being thrown off it won't seem to be losing much.

Well, it's a pretty bad deal that they'll be missing out on.


Blickers wrote:
The people I knew on Medicaid had regular visits to the doctor and got referred for various procedures, some of them quite expensive. While everyone knows that all halth care plans prefer generic meds to brand name drugs, I haven't seen any evidence that Medicaid doctors are denying the expensive generic drugs to keep their jobs. And I've known at least one Medicaid patient who got Abilify before it went generic.

Actually Medicaid denies even cheap generics if there is a more ancient alternative with lots of unpleasant side effects that they can force people to endure.


Blickers wrote:
Most plans, Medicaid or private, require a case to be made by the prescribing doctor for name brand drugs instead of a generic. What I don't see is any evidence that it takes a long process to get slightly more expensive generics.

The generics that are denied are not necessarily any more expensive at all.

The problem isn't the length of the process. If someone can't come up with a good reason why they can't just put up with unpleasant side effects, the denial comes swiftly.


Blickers wrote:
And even if what you said was true, it would still be far better than being thrown off Medicaid and going without treatment because Trumpcare will not be affordable to people who make between $9K and $18K yearly.

I don't know. Seems like a pretty bad scenario either way.

But why not make Trumpcare affordable to the poor?


Blickers wrote:
Yes, public hospitals and those connected to universities accept Medicaid.

They may be willing to accept Medicaid, but do the Medicaid HMOs include them in their network?

If an HMO does not have a given hospital in their network, it doesn't matter how willing that hospital is.


Blickers wrote:
If you pay more than a 100 percent rebate, you are talking about subsidies, and Trumpcare is supposed to get rid of subsidies.

I am talking about a more than 100% rebate.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 09:57 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
http://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17264322_1569465669734555_3694331842498949469_n.jpg?oh=e7046f7e785085a9b9566f20144452da&oe=5964C29A

The fact that the Left are throwing a tantrum about someone's email doesn't mean there is a scandal.

Private servers? Says who?
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camlok
 
  0  
Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 10:24 pm
@oralloy,
Child prostitution charges were filed Thursday against an Oklahoma state senator who police say was found with a teenage boy in a motel room in the Oklahoma City suburb of Moore, according to a local prosecutor.

Republican Sen. Ralph Shortey of Oklahoma City ...
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Your kind of people, oralloy.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 10:39 pm
@oralloy,
Bad deal for the 16 million more people?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 10:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Depends on whether they would have been on Medicaid or not.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 10:45 pm
@camlok,
I've never heard of the guy.
camlok
 
  0  
Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 10:51 pm
@oralloy,
He's still one of your kind of people.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2017 01:57 am
@jcboy,
That's about par for the course, most homophobes have something to hide and the god types are the worst.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2017 11:00 am
@oralloy,
Quote Blickers:
Quote:
You are making stuff up,

Quote oralloy:
Quote:
No. Medicaid really is a bad deal.

It's a great deal for the poor in that it gives them both general medical care and the ability to be seen by specialists, not to mention getting expensive operations including open heart surgery, etc. When it gets to the point that you want to scrap the whole system-with no alternative in place-because the only specialist who may know about some rare tropical disease might not be on the network, you have shown how desperate you have become to run this system down. Besides which, it covers visits to university teaching hospitals, who will call in people who do know about rare diseases.

Quote Blickers:
Quote:
And since your alternative is Trumpcare,which the people being thrown off Medicaid by Trumpcare cannot afford, you are downgrading Medicaid, so that the people being thrown off it won't seem to be losing much.

Quote oralloy:
Quote:
I don't know. Seems like a pretty bad scenario either way.

But why not make Trumpcare affordable to the poor?

But Trumpcare as written is NOT affordable to the poor at all. So cutting off Medicaid to people making between $9K and $18K yearly cuts off their access to modern medical care, access to specialists, and expensive operations, all of which Medicaid covers.

When and if the powers that be change Trumpcare so that the poor can afford it, then you can talk about replacing Medicaid. Right now you have no alternative to Medicaid, and that's why you are pushing these ridiculous stories about it to make it seem like poor people won't be losing much even if they lose their Medicaid and can't afford Trumpcare.
Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2017 11:10 am
14 Million People Would Lose Insurance in 2018 Under Republican Health Care Plan: Congressional Budget Office
Posted 1:25 PM, March 13, 2017, by CNN Wire and Kacey Montoya, Updated at 11:20PM, March 13, 2017

Twenty-four million more Americans would be uninsured by 2026 under the House Republican health care bill than under Obamacare, including 14 million by next year, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office said Monday.

The long-anticipated score immediately puts the writers and supporters of the GOP Obamacare repeal bill on the defensive. It is also certain to complicate the party's already troubled efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

The CBO, along with the Joint Committee on Taxation, found that 5 million fewer people would be covered under Medicaid by 2018, and 14 million fewer people would enroll in the program by 2026. Meanwhile, 6 million fewer Americans would be covered in the individual market by 2018, but by 2026, only 2 million fewer people are expected to be covered. That's in part because fewer employers would offer insurance to their workers, driving more people to the individual market.

In total, an estimated 52 million people would be uninsured by 2026 under the GOP plan, compared to 28 million who would lack insurance under the current law.

The Republican bill, titled the American Health Care Act, would reduce the federal deficit by $337 billion over 10 years, the CBO said.

KTLA5

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2017 12:32 pm
@Blickers,
The last number I saw under Trumpcare is that 14 million people will lose health insurance. Trump said he would make health care available to every one. He just didn't say how much more it was going to cost.
The American voter can blame themselves for electing a pathological liar as our president.
https://www.google.com/amp/ktla.com/2017/03/13/14-million-people-would-lose-insurance-in-2018-under-republican-health-care-plan-congressional-budget-office/amp/
camlok
 
  0  
Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2017 01:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The American voter can blame themselves for electing a pathological liar as our president.


America was much better off just electing their average run of the mill pathological liar as our president instead of the off the charts pathological liar.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2017 01:27 pm
@camlok,
That's true; a FactCheck on Obama shows he was not squeaky clean in the truth department, but I still rate him on the high side.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2017 03:11 pm
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/17264858_10212291357819693_2022341921167932307_n.jpg?oh=cbe8bf788f1d8fd4c4927e0ea1f77a09&oe=595DB4BC
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camlok
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2017 05:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You have a mighty low end scale for US presidents, and truth be known, a sizeable chunk of citizens too.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2017 10:55 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
It's a great deal for the poor in that it gives them both general medical care and the ability to be seen by specialists, not to mention getting expensive operations including open heart surgery, etc.

The inability to get treated if you have a difficult problem, the unnecessary unpleasant side effects, the substandard cosmetics, and the loss of inheritance, all combine to make Medicaid not so great.


Blickers wrote:
When it gets to the point that you want to scrap the whole system-with no alternative in place-because the only specialist who may know about some rare tropical disease might not be on the network, you have shown how desperate you have become to run this system down.

Doesn't have to be a tropical disease. There all all sorts of unusual and uncommon ailments that strike a small number of people.

It is important to be able to be treated when you have an unusual disease.

I do have an alternative in place. Give the poor enough that they can afford to buy from the exchanges.

I'm not desperate. All I am doing is pointing out facts.


Blickers wrote:
Besides which, it covers visits to university teaching hospitals, who will call in people who do know about rare diseases.

I don't think it has been established that these university hospitals are within the network of people on Medicaid.


Blickers wrote:
But Trumpcare as written is NOT affordable to the poor at all.

It gives them a bit of help to buy from the exchange. I'm all for increasing the degree of help provided.


Blickers wrote:
When and if the powers that be change Trumpcare so that the poor can afford it, then you can talk about replacing Medicaid.

Why can't I talk about it now? It is atrocious how Medicaid mistreats the poor.


Blickers wrote:
Right now you have no alternative to Medicaid,

Sure I do. Give the poor enough money to let them buy from the exchanges.


Blickers wrote:
and that's why you are pushing these ridiculous stories about it to make it seem like poor people won't be losing much even if they lose their Medicaid and can't afford Trumpcare.

Hardly ridiculous to tell the truth about how bad Medicaid is.
camlok
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2017 03:14 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
I'm not desperate. All I am doing is pointing out facts.


Laughing
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2017 07:24 am
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/2b/b1/13/2bb11306fcd81a460f52f6a57a251089.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2017 02:46 pm
@hingehead,
Ignorance?
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