Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

@hingehead,

We had the chance to pass Universal Health care here in CO and it lost by 70% voting against it. The vast majority of people do not want single payer.

2 Replies

@Baldimo,

In polls asking the question before the whole Obamacare thing started, single payer was supported by something like 60% of the country as a whole. If CO is so retrograde, just goes to show you how many troglodytes the state holds. Single-payer, as proven by the real-world experience of virtually every other modern country but us, over the last 50 years, costs about half what we pay per capita, covers everyone, gets better health-care metrics, and promotes greater life expectancies than the US system ever has. Conservatives are extraordinarily proficient at putting their belief in failed ideology over actual reality.

2 Replies

@MontereyJack,

Quote:

In polls asking the question before the whole Obamacare thing started, single payer was supported by something like 60% of the country as a whole.

Do you have some polls to back this up?

Quote:

If CO is so retrograde, just goes to show you how many troglodytes the state holds.

We do have a lot of troglodytes here in CO, why do you think it went for Hillary Clinton.
In all seriousness, my state was the first state to pass legal MJ, we are not as "conservative" as you think we are. A majority of the people recognize socialism when they see it and don't want any part of it.

Quote:

Single-payer, as proven by the real-world experience of virtually every other modern country but us, over the last 50 years, costs about half what we pay per capita, covers everyone, gets better health-care metrics, and promotes greater life expectancies than the US system ever has.

US healthcare is so expensive because of govt regulation, look at what the lack of regulation has done for the boob job and eye laser surgery area's of medicine. The costs have consistently gone down and the tech has steadily improved. The same can't be said for the heavily regulated area's of medical care.

Quote:

Conservatives are extraordinarily proficient at putting their belief in failed ideology over actual reality.

Govt regulation is the fault for our current prices, govt needs to get out of the healthcare business and let the free market rule. Your socialist idea's only work in small populations, name one country of our population that has successful socialized medicine, I'll wait.

2 Replies

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/17191042_1780239682296557_5577766923843661616_n.jpg?oh=3c20c124b4c320d13c0c57578bda1bcd&oe=5964F5EC

0 Replies

@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Your socialist idea's only work in small populations, name one country of our population that has successful socialized medicine, I'll wait.

Certainly it is difficult to compare any other country with the third most populated country of the world.
Then, it is difficult to compare the various health insurance systems regarding the term "socialized medicine" you've used. (We've got mandatory health insurance here since 1873 - no-one ever got the idea to call that a form of socialism.)

1 Reply

@Baldimo,

Got nothing to do with governmental over regulation. EVERY single-payer country has a predominant role by government, and EVERYONE costs around half of what we pay per capita. Econ 101--the bigger you are, the more bargaining power you have. And the bigger you are, the bigger your risk pool and the more you can spread costs.

Well, I take some of that back. Republican collusion has drastically increased drug costs. The Bush admin (W) when they got Part D Medicare forbade the government to bargain with Big Pharma over whatever prices the drug companies wanted to charge, which is why our drug prices are outlandish, and why the sharks can raise drug prices for long-established drugs 600% and get away with it. Thank you, GOP.

1 Reply

@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

In polls asking the question before the whole Obamacare thing started, single payer was supported by something like 60% of the country as a whole.

It is likely that this poll was skewed due to the presence of liberals.

Liberals are highly delusional and keep using the term "single payer" to refer to health care systems that are anything but single payer.

MontereyJack wrote:

Single-payer, as proven by the real-world experience of virtually every other modern country but us, over the last 50 years,

As I said. Liberals are highly delusional and keep using the term "single payer" to refer to health care systems that are anything but single payer.

MontereyJack wrote:

Conservatives are extraordinarily proficient at putting their belief in failed ideology over actual reality.

The only people here with a failed ideology are liberals. Although liberals do place their failed ideology over reality.

0 Replies

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/17098555_1876570772591026_2233741840595763545_n.jpg?oh=de9cc894350ccb0438684bbbc2ae8100&oe=596F84D6

0 Replies

@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

EVERY single-payer country has a predominant role by government,

Some of the NON single payer systems that you wrongly refer to as single payer, don't have a predominant role by government. All the government does in those cases is set and enforce regulations for insurance companies to comply with.

MontereyJack wrote:

Republican collusion has drastically increased drug costs. The Bush admin (W) when they got Part D Medicare forbade the government to bargain with Big Pharma over whatever prices the drug companies wanted to charge, which is why our drug prices are outlandish, and why the sharks can raise drug prices for long-established drugs 600% and get away with it. Thank you, GOP.

If drug companies couldn't make big profits, they would be unwilling to spend big money taking big risks designing new miracle drugs.

Yes indeed. Thank you GOP.

0 Replies

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/17202917_1555691094444387_4838515904022233200_n.jpg?oh=e1f66a2029a4e09350f3ba3c8be51ad6&oe=593737BD

0 Replies

Oralloy and Baldimo are on ignore so whatever their response is, NOT INTERESTED.

1 Reply

@TheCobbler,

Awwww. Did we go and posts facts that spoiled your liberal delusions. You poor thing.

0 Replies

@Walter Hinteler,

Why are you wasting your time? The American health care system is consistently used as an example of what's wrong when market forces dominate health care. It's a pile of **** that only works for the rich, (and their fawning lickspittles, who are too stupid to know any different.) Nobody wants that, it's the worst health care system in the developed world

1 Reply

Trump’s five impeachable offenses are:
*Accusing his predecessor, President Barack Obama, of wiretapping his phones in Trump Tower in the run-up to the election.
*Using the U.S.’s relationship with foreign governments to personally profit, through his Trump International Hotel chain.
*Violating the First Amendment (and its protection of religious freedom) through his Muslim travel ban.
*Violating the First Amendment by labeling the press “the enemy of the American people” and curbing freedom of press.
*Violating Article III Section 3 of the Constitution (“treason”) — there is growing evidence that he may have colluded with Russia to win the election.
(Robert Reich)

1 Reply

@TheCobbler,

TheCobbler wrote:

Trump’s five impeachable offenses are:
*Accusing his predecessor, President Barack Obama, of wiretapping his phones in Trump Tower in the run-up to the election.

I know liberals hate the Constitution. But no, Trump exercising Free Speech is not an impeachable offense.

TheCobbler wrote:

*Using the U.S.’s relationship with foreign governments to personally profit, through his Trump International Hotel chain.

Owning hotels is not an impeachable offense.

TheCobbler wrote:

*Violating the First Amendment (and its protection of religious freedom) through his Muslim travel ban.

If he starts violating court rulings, that would be one thing.

So long as Trump complies with court rulings, there is no impeachable offense.

TheCobbler wrote:

*Violating the First Amendment by labeling the press “the enemy of the American people” and curbing freedom of press.

Only a liberal could suggest that the exercise of Free Speech violates the First Amendment.

Freedom of the Press has not been curbed. Trump has not prevented the press from printing (or saying, depending on the medium) whatever they want.

TheCobbler wrote:

*Violating Article III Section 3 of the Constitution (“treason”) — there is growing evidence that he may have colluded with Russia to win the election.
(Robert Reich)

There is no evidence whatsoever that he did any such thing.

And even if he did, that would hardly count as treason or any other impeachable offense.

Nice try. E for Effort.

0 Replies

@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

The American health care system is consistently used as an example of what's wrong when market forces dominate health care.

The German health care system (and those countries that copy Germany) is an example of how market forces can dominate health care and be beneficial to all.

1 Reply

@oralloy,

Your system is crap, no other developed nation wants it. You only think its so good because you're heavily invested in the fantasy that America is better than elsewhere. Believe me it's ******* not, like Fil Alberquerque I'd rather live anywhere in Europe than America. Only in America are there delusional idiots like you.

1 Reply

@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

We had the chance to pass Universal Health care here in CO and it lost by 70% voting against it. The vast majority of people do not want single payer.

That's because you Coloradans wanted recreation weed more than health care. It's genius, use enough and who cares if you're feeling bad

2 Replies

@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Your system is crap, no other developed nation wants it.

That's OK. I'm not pushing our health system on anyone.

izzythepush wrote:

You only think its so good because you're heavily invested in the fantasy that America is better than elsewhere.

I don't care much whether America's health system is good. What really matters is that we preserve our Second Amendment freedoms.

Our freedom does make us the only place in the world worth living. But that is unrelated to health care.

izzythepush wrote:

Believe me it's ******* not, like Fil Alberquerque I'd rather live anywhere in Europe than America.

I won't try to stop you from living wherever you wish.

That Fil Alberquerque person sounded rather superstitious earlier today when he couldn't follow my logic. I bet he'd try to burn me for witchcraft if he could.

izzythepush wrote:

Only in America are there delusional idiots like you.

Notice that you can't point out any facts that I am wrong about?

1 Reply

@oralloy,

Quote:

Notice that you can't point out any facts that I am wrong about?

I pointed out many "facts/myths that you were wrong about in the thread that all the "adults" are avoiding, except for farmerman the "scientist", who hasn't once addressed a science issue.

The thread that you, Baldimo, McGentrix, ... fled from.

0 Replies

Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know