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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2016 03:31 pm
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2016 03:35 pm
Donald Trump Just Insulted The United Nations, And Their Response Is Perfect
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/12/28/donald-trump-just-insulted-united-nations-response-perfect/
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2016 04:05 pm
@TheCobbler,
Is this admitting that they haven't been doing their jobs? The American people for the most part know the media hasn't been doing their jobs. It's funny to hear her call it "neutral" when they have never been "neutral", they have always called things with a bias toward the left side of the isle.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2016 04:14 pm
@TheCobbler,
Fake news/propaganda: Hands up don't shoot... It was a video...
Censorship: Banning speakers from college campus
Corruption: Clinton Foundation
Authoritarianism: DNC Brown Shirts who riot in the streets and prevent people from attending peaceful political events. San Diego, Chicago
Facism: mis/overused pointless term... aka propaganda

You are right, they should be named in public. It's once of the reasons for Hillary's loss.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2016 04:44 pm
@Baldimo,
I believe Hillary's loss was of her own making.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2016 04:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That is true, but the media did their part to make her seem electable. I'm still shocked that the DNC couldn't come up with more than 4 people who were interested in running for President. The fix was in from the start, "It was her turn."
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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2016 08:40 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote Baldimo:
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Is this admitting that they haven't been doing their jobs? The American people for the most part know the media hasn't been doing their jobs. It's funny to hear her call it "neutral" when they have never been "neutral", they have always called things with a bias toward the left side of the isle.

LEFT side of the aisle? That's just hilarious. Trump says he wants to abandon the US policy of containing Russian expansionism and substitute a policy of the US and Russia dealing only with "mutual shared interests"-no mention of freedom for newly free Eastern European countries-and the media barely pays attention. Social media is swamped with paid Russian trolls extolling the virtues of Trump, and the media pays no attention. Trump hires people who worked for Russia on his campaign, including two campaign managers besides others, and the media goes ho hum.

But the media is like attack dogs on Email servers. And the media waits until AFTER the election to really push the fact that Russia is pushing hard to elect an American president who has said he will change American foreign policy to match up with Russia's. And you say the media leans left.

Funniest damn thing I ever heard.
Laughing Laughing Laughing
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2016 04:21 am
@Blickers,
It's a lie, the American Media is the most right wing in the developed world. That's common knowledge, (to anyone outside America that is.) It shows a laziness and lack of any thinking to just blindly believe what they're told without question.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2016 11:21 am
@Blickers,
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LEFT side of the aisle? That's just hilarious. Trump says he wants to abandon the US policy of containing Russian expansionism and substitute a policy of the US and Russia dealing only with "mutual shared interests"-no mention of freedom for newly free Eastern European countries-and the media barely pays attention. Social media is swamped with paid Russian trolls extolling the virtues of Trump, and the media pays no attention. Trump hires people who worked for Russia on his campaign, including two campaign managers besides others, and the media goes ho hum.

"The 80's are calling and they want their foreign policy back." Does that ring a bell? Obama was a fool for saying that and continuing with his BS line about Climate Change being the biggest threat to national security. You want to harp on Trump, but everything Russia has done has been done under Obama's watch, you only have him to blame. Don't be angry at Trump, be angry at Obama for his failure to actually take Russia seriously.

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But the media is like attack dogs on Email servers. And the media waits until AFTER the election to really push the fact that Russia is pushing hard to elect an American president who has said he will change American foreign policy to match up with Russia's. And you say the media leans left.

You mean the same media that very much like you had Hillary up in the polls and Trump with no chance of winning? That media? The same media that waited till after the Conventions to start dropping stories about Trump and grabbing pussy? These are your people, they were part of the Hillary machine. The email coverage was the attempt to keep people from actually looking at either candidates true policies. The media had a vested interest in not covering the news, it was "her turn" and dammit, we needed a woman President, whether she was going to be a good one or not. It didn't matter to have the right woman in the WH, they just wanted a woman and Hillary had "earned" the right to be that woman. Sorry, but outside of CA, the rest of the country didn't feel that way.
Blickers
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2016 12:28 pm
@Baldimo,
How many times are you going to try to twist what Obama said in the debate with Romney? In that debate, this is what Obama said, in a discussion about the threat of al-Qaeda: "Governor Romney, I'm glad that you recognize that al-Qaeda is a threat, because a few months ago when you were asked what was the biggest geopolitical threat facing America you said Russia. Not al-Qaeda, you said Russia. And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back" .

At the time, Russia had been contained within its borders, and al-Qaeda had blown up the World Trade Center and was actively planning and carrying out terrorist plots against the US and other Western countries. Tell me, what would your answer be to that question back in 2012?

But notice, during his presidency, Obama fully supported NATO, promised and delivered to Romania and Poland anti-missile devices and OKed such programs as the F-35, the most expensive weapon in history. Clearly, Obama understood the need to continue to contain Russia.

Exactly how does this justify the press downplaying the Russian role in this election on Trump's side? Why wasn't the press doing more investigative work, why wasn't the media going deeper into the ties between Russia and Trump's campaign? For instance, Paul Manafort, one of Trump's campaign managers, had a job working for the pro-Russian Ukrainian faction, (which obviously takes aid and orders from the Kremlin), and during that employment he worked to lobby Congress for legislation the pro-Kremlin Ukrainian faction wanted. Trump's campaign manager was a pro-Kremlin lobbyist. How much attention did this news get? Not much, a little noise and they let it drop. And his replacement as campaign manager is Steve Bannon, who is the editor of the Breitbart website, which carries pro-Russian editorials and newsclips.

They have even adopted the Russian practice of attacking politicians who go against Russian policy as Jews, (if they are). What difference does it make which religion you are when dealing with political matters? But if a politician of the Jewish faith does something Russia doesn't like, Bannon's website would make note in the headline that a Jewish politician opposed Russia. It all plays into the right wing and Russian fantasy of the "New World Order", which is a euphemism for Jews who supposedly have all the money and who run the world. Putin is supposedly the anti-New World Order hero. And Trump's campaign manager, now Chief of Staff, is going along with this thinking on his website.

The press didn't go into the Russian backing of Trump until after the election was over, only now are they picking up steam. It's an explosive story, and instead of pursuing it vigorously, the press allowed themselves to become the daily Trump Tweet Report.

That's your idea of left leaning? The conservative's people are up to their neck in Russian connections and openly expressed pro-Russian sympathies and the press lets it go?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2016 12:39 pm
@Blickers,
There's proof that Manafort received money from Ukraine.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-08-15/ukraine-documents-detail-cash-payments-to-paul-manafort

I don't think Trump worries about conflict of interest, and it seems most Americans don't care.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2016 01:37 pm
@Blickers,
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How many times are you going to try to twist what Obama said in the debate with Romney? In that debate, this is what Obama said, in a discussion about the threat of al-Qaeda: "Governor Romney, I'm glad that you recognize that al-Qaeda is a threat, because a few months ago when you were asked what was the biggest geopolitical threat facing America you said Russia. Not al-Qaeda, you said Russia. And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back" .


Wait, wasn't al-Qaeda on the run at the time? Obama was declaring a win in the ME, so how was al-Qaeda suppose to be a threat? Here are Obama's own words on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCX80P-wrOk

So which was it at the time? Were they a threat or were they on the run? Obama did a big victory tour after bringing the troops home. He also claimed at the time that ISIS was also not a threat and they were not marching across the land. How many times does Obama have to be wrong before you get the hint... He was wrong about Russia and he was wrong about ISIS/terrorists.

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At the time, Russia had been contained within its borders, and al-Qaeda had blown up the World Trade Center and was actively planning and carrying out terrorist plots against the US and other Western countries. Tell me, what would your answer be to that question back in 2012?


Again I refer you to Obama's own words. al-Qaeda was on the run and loosing when he was campaigning in 2012. This is where the media hasn't been doing their jobs and were a propaganda machine for the Obama administration. They never went back and questioned why he was so wrong in every pronouncement? Instead they doubled down and carried forth his message and still do to this day.

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But notice, during his presidency, Obama fully supported NATO

I have no problem with NATO, I just wish we didn't have to foot a majority of the bill for it. As has been noted before, the countries with the most to gain from NATO should be putting more of their pie into the feast.

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promised and delivered to Romania and Poland anti-missile devices

I like how you don't mention the he scrapped the original plan and was more concerned with Iran and nukes but Poland was more concerned with Russia. Obama even at the time didn't see Russia as any sort of threat and even said to the Russian leader at the time "I'll have more flexibility when I'm re-elected". That doesn't strike me as someone who see's Russia as a threat. At the time you guys defended his words but now "Russia is evil and Trump shouldn't be making deals with them.", when that is the very thing Obama offered to do when caught on a "hot mic".

Here is the history of that anti-missile system you mentioned. It doesn't sound as good as you make it sound. Poland was pissed and decided to develop it's own anti-missile system.
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On November 8, an aide to U.S. President-Elect Barack Obama denied a claim made by Polish President Lech Kaczyński's office, that a pledge had been made to go ahead with the missile defense system during a phone conversation between the two men. "His [Obama's] position is as it was throughout the campaign, that he supports deploying a missile defence system when the technology is proved to be workable," the aide said, but "no commitment" has been made.[23]

On November 14, French President Nicolas Sarkozy stated that plans for a U.S. missile shield in Central Europe were misguided, and wouldn't make the continent a safer place. "Deployment of a missile defense system would bring nothing to security ... it would complicate things, and would make them move backward," he said at a summit. He also warned Russian President Medvedev against upping tensions by deploying missiles in Kaliningrad in response to the planned U.S. missile defense system.[24]

On April 5, 2009, President Obama, during a speech in Prague, declared: "As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven." [25] President Obama continued to express conditional support for the program and sought to isolate it from U.S.-Russian nuclear arms control talks.[26]

On September 17, 2009, The White House issued a statement saying that the US "no longer planned to move forward" with the project. According to President Obama, new intelligence had shown Iran was pursuing short-range and medium-range missile development, rather than long-range, necessitating a shift in strategy.[27][28] The outlines of a reformulated, scaled-down project began to emerge in October, 2009.[6]

After the project cancellation, Vice President Joe Biden visited Poland in 2009 to "mend relations" by announcing the SM-3 deployment plan (see below for details of the new plan). Polish sources complained that the new plan no longer gave Poland an exclusive role (because an SM-3 site was also planned for Romania).[29]

In 2010 cables leaked by Wikileaks showed that Polish diplomats felt more threatened by Russia than by Iran.[30] The (leaked) responses from the Pentagon show that Alexander Vershbow sought to assure that the missile shield, including the SM-3 alternative, was adaptable to "hypothetical" threats.[31]

On March 26, 2012, there occurred a microphone gaffe between President Obama and President Medvedev. Obama said that he would have "more flexibility" to deal with controversial issues such as missile defense. He was heard telling Medvedev, "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space." Medvedev told the president in English, "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…" and President Obama continued his statement, "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility." Medvedev responded saying, again in English, "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir."[32]

In March 2013, Polish Deputy Minister of Defense Robert Kupiecki announced that Poland intended to build its own missile defense within NATO, complementing the US deployment. Poland's tentative budget for the next decade is "$10 billion for the modernization of air defense, where half of this sum is dedicated to lower-tier missile defense."[33]


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and OKed such programs as the F-35, the most expensive weapon in history.

He did no such thing. The program was approved way back in the 90's and most of the development took place during the 90's before he was even President. The only thing he did with the program is be the CIC when the program went active.

BTW, every new weapon system is the most expensive in history. As the tech improves, it becomes more expensive to develop and produce.

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Clearly, Obama understood the need to continue to contain Russia.

Is that why he offered to be more "flexable" when he was running for office in 2012? Contained? What happened to the Russian reset? Easy, Russia played Obama and Hillary for fools.

The rest of your post is non-sense.
Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 12:20 am
@Baldimo,
First, the Fox video you showed was completely dishonest. It showed a clip of an Obama 2016 interview-undated-where he said that ISIS was under control, which it was. As of this writing, ISIS' big victory, the city of Mosul, has been completely taken back by Iraqi forces and ISIS is on its last legs. They are down to the tiny town of Raqqa now. The the rest of the Fox video was scenes from 2011 and 2012 where Obama is saying that al-Qaeda was weakened, which it was. These are two separate organizations which dislike each other intensely. It's a false, deceptive video that purposely tries to mix the viewer up on the difference between al-Qaeda and ISIS.. Not that it matters, because we are discussing Russia openly supporting Trump, and the people behind Trump being people who worked for Russia.

At issue is Trump's being backed by Putin on the one hand, and having his campaign-and now soon-to-be White House staff-full of people who are intensely sympathetic to Russia or who even worked for Russia. His former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was employed by the pro-Russia Ukrainian faction, which is aided and financed by Russia. Among other things, Manafort operated an outfit which lobbied Congress for things the Kremlin-supported group wanted. Essentially, Manafort was a Kremlin-employed lobbyist. That was Trump's campaign manager. He was replaced by Trump's next campaign manager, Steve Bannon, who openly labels politicians of the Jewish faith who oppose Russian policies Jews in the headline of the website article he bashes them in. Who supports the Russian story of the New World Order, (a euphemism for Jews), supposedly run everything and have all the money. This is Trump's present campaign manager and soon-to-be Chief of Staff. And there are others.

Not to mention Trump's saying how much he admires Putin, a dictator who puts his political opponents in jail, and how Trump has said he is ready to break up NATO, which is Putin's fondest wish. This would give Putin the green light to move the tanks into Eastern Europe and reconstruct the old Warsaw Pact against the will of the people in those newly free countries like Poland and the Czech Republic. People who, once free of Russian/USSR domination, had their standard of living shoot right up. Trump is openly talking about abandoning them to Putin. And of course, Trump has said that he wants to change the relationship of the US and Russia from one where the USA is dedicated to block Russian expansionism to one where the US and Russia decide things "based on mutual shared interests". In other words, the US is no longer interested in defending Eastern Europe as long as Russia makes it worth our while. What a disgrace.

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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 03:42 am
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 09:45 am
@TheCobbler,
Not only that, but in the recount of the three states Jill Stein paid millions of dollars for, not one of those three states took all the ballots and hand counted them. In Wisconsin, the responsibility for recount went to the county officials, many of whom publicly said that they would not hand count the votes, that all they would do would just look at the voting machines again and check to make sure the number on the machine matched the number they put down on Election Day. In Michigan, they refused to recount the votes in the Detroit area because the total number of voters recorded as showing up did not match the totals of all the candidates, frequently they were one or two off. So they refused to recount. And in Pennsylvania, most of the voting is done on old voting machines which do not even give a paper record of what candidate was chosen-they only recorded it electronically.

It's funny, we say that Florida was a disgrace in 2000 because of all the court decisions that some votes were allowed and others were not. At least Florida hand counted the votes. None of the three states who received money for the recount this time even did that. And the Republicans are now pushing legislation trying to make it harder to get a recount.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 11:35 am
@TheCobbler,
Is there any proof of this? These people were not allowed to fill out provisional ballots? Links?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 12:53 pm
@TheCobbler,
Yea, I just checked, and your numbers are correct.
http://www.snopes.com/300000-wisconsin-voters-turned-away-due-to-voter-id-laws/

Makes you wonder if we live in the US or Russia.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 02:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You really can't read for **** can you? Snopes rated the claim as "unproven", which is the same as saying BS, it didn't happen. Here is their written conclusion on the matter:
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The 300,000 figure originated with a court's estimate of how many voters were potentially impacted by a voter ID law as it stood in April 2014, but by October 2016, changes had been made to that law. Moreover, even if the 300,000 figure was an accurate estimate of Wisconsin residents who back in 2014 possibly could not vote because they did not have the correct identification, that number was not a head count of residents who actually did (or would have) set out to vote on 8 November 2016 only to be turned away.


It was a courts estimate and it is never said how they came up with those #'s. Since the #'s were provided by anti-Voter ID groups, those #'s are always suspect.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 02:52 pm
@Blickers,
The media has you spinning on their hook:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2016 03:01 pm
@Baldimo,
I can read and comprehend what I read.
Estimates are the best we have available. What's your problem?
 

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