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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2016 01:39 pm
@snood,
That is a dodge of the question. It would seem that you think there are some amendments that would need to be changed, so which ones? You have 27 of them to choose from.

I'll go first, we should make a change to the 14th Amendment. It should state that you have to have at least one parent be a US citizen in order for a child born on US soil to be a citizen.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2016 05:58 pm
@Baldimo,
How about thou shall not have false Gods before the. Oh sorry, thats the Christian Constitution.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2016 06:13 pm
@RABEL222,
I'm not a Christian so you are barking up the wrong tree. I worship Star Wars, and Boba Fett & R2D2 are my prophets. Try again.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2016 06:26 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

That is a dodge of the question. It would seem that you think there are some amendments that would need to be changed, so which ones? You have 27 of them to choose from.

I'll go first, we should make a change to the 14th Amendment. It should state that you have to have at least one parent be a US citizen in order for a child born on US soil to be a citizen.


It's not a dodge. It would be a dodge if I was pretending to answer the question about which specific amendment, but I wasn't. I was posing a different, more general question. I'll repeat it (not necessarily for you to answer, just to repeat it for clarity): Doesn't it stand to reason that a governing document that's 229 years old might not cover every possible eventuality of an evolving society?
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2016 06:31 pm
I never said any amendments should be changed. I said maybe they (the framers) made amendments possible in the constitution so that as things change, so can the constitution. When the framers first met to make the constitution, like I said previously, 12 of them owned slaves or managed plantations run by slaves. Luckily things evolved and the owning of slaves was no longer constitutional thus the 13th amendment. Perhaps an amendment can be made making it illegal for public places to discriminate against transgender people from choosing which bathroom to go to. Seems silly, but, but we live in silly times it seems when people actually make it illegal for people to go in certain bathrooms.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 12:53 am
@snood,
Some people are frightened of change and like fundamentalism, something set in stone which is immutable regardless of how anachronistic it is.

It doesn't matter if the document in question is the Constitution, the Bible or the Koran, they all want their own form of Sharia law.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 05:46 am
@izzythepush,
The Constitution works fine. Including the 14th, though ridding the Republic of Ted Cruz appeals to me.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 05:48 am
The United States Constitution is one of the most flexible documents of it's kind which has ever been promulgated. It has been amended 27 times. This is a tempest in a teapot--Izzy hates Americans and the United States and has shown it since he first arrived here.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 05:50 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
I never said any amendments should be changed. I said maybe they (the framers) made amendments possible in the constitution so that as things change, so can the constitution.


Bingo! We have a winner, folks.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 05:59 am
Biden praises Sanders on income inequality, calls Clinton 'relatively new' to the fight
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By Kevin Liptak, CNN White House Producer

Updated 4:19 PM ET, Tue January 12, 2016


Washington (CNN)Vice President Joe Biden offered effusive praise for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders Monday, lauding Hillary Clinton's chief rival for doing a "heck of a job" on the campaign trail and praising Sanders for offering an authentic voice on income inequality.
And while Biden said Democrats had a slate of "great candidates" running for president, he suggested Clinton was a newcomer to issues like the growing gap between rich and poor.

"Bernie is speaking to a yearning that is deep and real. And he has credibility on it," Biden said during an interview with CNN chief political analyst Gloria Borger.
"It's relatively new for Hillary to talk about that," Biden continued, acknowledging that Clinton has "come forward with some really thoughtful approaches to deal with the issue" of income inequality.
Full interview part 1: Biden weighs in on 2016 election

Full interview part 1: Biden weighs in on 2016 election 09:27
"Hillary's focus has been other things up to now, and that's been Bernie's -- no one questions Bernie's authenticity on those issues," he said.
Clinton and Sanders are locked in tight races in both Iowa and New Hampshire, which hold the nation's first nominating contests in less than a month's time. That's a distant cry from the start of the race, which saw Clinton an overwhelming favorite among Democrats.
Related: Biden says Obama offered financial help amid son's illness
The tightening in polls prompted Sanders, a Vermont senator who identifies as a Democratic Socialist, to jab at Clinton's campaign as being in "serious trouble" during a campaign stop in Iowa Monday.
Full interview part 2: Biden on the loss of his son

Full interview part 2: Biden on the loss of his son 07:07
Biden expressed little shock that Sanders was drawing ample support among Democrats, claiming that Sanders' self-identification as a socialist mattered little to his party's voters.
"If Bernie Sanders never said he was a democratic socialist, based on what he's saying people wouldn't be calling him a democratic socialist," he said, claiming Clinton entered the race with an "awful high bar for her to meet."
"I never thought she was a prohibitive favorite," he said. "I don't think she ever thought she was a prohibitive favorite. So I think it's, you know, everything's sort of coming down to Earth."
Sanders has sufficiently come around on the issue of gun control, Biden said, even as the Clinton campaign continued to launch withering criticism of Sanders' past vote allowing legal immunity for gun manufacturers whose products are involved in fatal shootings. President Barack Obama recently wrote in an op-ed he wouldn't campaign for any candidate that doesn't support "common-sense gun reform."
"What Bernie Sanders has to do is say that the Second Amendment says -- which he has, of late -- the Second Amendment says you can limit who can own a gun, that people who are criminals shouldn't have guns," he said. "People who are schizophrenic and have mental illnesses shouldn't own guns. And he has said that."
Biden, who spent much of last year contemplating a third presidential bid, announced in October he wouldn't pursue the Democratic nomination, saying window had closed on jumping into the race as he and his family grieved the June death of his eldest son Beau.
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He insisted Monday that was the "absolute right decision for my family" and offered little indication his mind could be changed given outcomes in the upcoming primary season.

"I don't think there's any door to open," he said when asked if he was closing the door fully on a 2016 bid, adding that even if Sanders ekes out victories in the early voting states, he still confronts an uphill climb to the nomination.

"Even if Hillary loses votes -- I've thought this through -- it's a long way to go in the nomination," he said, calling Sanders' prospects of winning South Carolina -- which holds its primary after New Hampshire -- "tough sledding."

Biden offered little praise for the leading Republican in the presidential race, saying Donald Trump would likely come to wish he hadn't used such disparaging language in this year's context.

"If Donald Trump gets the nomination and wins the election, if he's as smart as I think, he's going to regret having said the things he's said and done," Biden said. He suggested Trump enroll in "a couple crash graduate courses before he started to try to exercise the role of president."
But Biden did reveal a longing for the campaign trail, a setting he occupied regularly for four decades as a U.S. senator, and later as vice president, but will no longer experience again as a candidate.

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 06:04 am
Hillary Clinton praises Sanders, plans to work with Republicans
01/26/16 12:47 AM—Updated 01/26/16 09:25 AM
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By Monica Alba

DES MOINES, Iowa – Hillary Clinton heaped praise on Bernie Sanders’ ad featuring Simon and Garfunkel’s “America” at a town hall hosted by CNN here Monday night, staying away from the sharp criticism she’s lobbed against him in recent days.

“I think that’s great. I think that’s fabulous. I loved it!” Clinton exclaimed after watching the 60-second spot, adding that it was a good example of Mario Cuomo’s famed expression about campaigning in poetry but governing in prose. “I love the feeling. I love the energy. I obviously respect Senator Sanders greatly and appreciate what he has done in this campaign. But I believe that I’m the better person to be the democratic nominee and to be the president and commander in chief of the country.”

All three Democratic candidates participated in the event and stood for most of their time on stage, in an attempt to make the broadcast feel more like a conventional town hall. With less than a week to go until the Iowa caucuses, candidates faced questions from mostly undecided voters and those who were leaning toward their opponents.

RELATED: Why geography favors Clinton in Iowa

The former secretary of state was animated throughout, gesticulating wildly at times.

When a young man who was pro-Sanders asked Clinton why his peers might distrust her, she imagined college kids viewing attacks against her and saying: “Oh my gosh, look at all this!” by bringing her hands to her head and thrusting her arms out in feigned frustration.

“They throw all this stuff at me and I’m still standing,” Clinton said. “I’ve been on the frontlines of change and progress since I was your age.”

Clinton had a jam-packed schedule Monday and seemed to exude more energy at every event. The CNN forum was her fourth town hall of the day.
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Hillary Clinton: Republicans can't knock me down

Though Clinton typically rails against Republicans in these types of events, she answered a question about how she’d work with them if elected by saying she’d give “them all bear hugs, whether they like it or not.”

She refused to say that using a private email server was “an error in judgment,” instead promising that she’s told the truth so far and will continue to do so until November.

When asked about President Obama’s kind comments about her in a Politico interview released Monday, Clinton said she was “really touched and gratified.”
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 06:31 am
@snood,
Quote:
Does it not follow, in your estimation that a document written on how to govern a country 229 years ago might not cover every eventuality as the people and the society evolves?


It is the best written document ever. Quite flexible. What needs to change can be and has been changed via amendments.

What is more flexible than the very 1st amendment?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Nothing else ever has to be said about this one.

How about this one?

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

Quite flexible and never needs to be changed. You liberals want the Constitution to cover everything under the Sun, yet the Framers were smart enough to keep the power closest to the People and that is at the State level.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 07:10 am
@woiyo,
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 07:38 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

Quote:
We might care, however, what they meant by the words in the Constitution when we purport to be deciding court cases based on it.


We can care, but we don't have to base on our lives on what the framers might have thought of genderless bathrooms when they used chamber pots back then. On some things, I just think the constitution is outdated as shocking as that might be to say. Maybe that is why we have amendments to address issues which were not around or evolved as much as they are today.

So amend it, then, but don't misrepresent what it says.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 07:40 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Does it not follow, in your estimation that a document written on how to govern a country 229 years ago might not cover every eventuality as the people and the society evolves?

Then amend it. But then, if course, you'd actually need the votes.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 08:07 am
@Brandon9000,

Quote:
So amend it, then, but don't misrepresent what it says.


In what way have I misrepresented what it says. What is "it" and how have I misrepresented it and where is a quote where I have?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 10:19 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 10:55 am
Sanders to have major input in writing of Democratic Party platform
Source: Washington Post

Sen. Bernie Sanders will get highly unusual say over the drafting of the Democratic Party platform this year even if, as expected, he loses the primary contest to Hillary Clinton.

The two Democratic candidates have agreed with Democratic Party officials to a new apportionment of the 15-member committee that writes the platform, according to Democratic officials familiar with the compromise worked out this mnth.

Sanders will name five members and Clinton six, based on the number of popular votes each has received to date, one official said. Democratic Party Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz will name four. The campaign choices were selected in consultation with the campaigns and the DNC from larger slates of 12 and 10 suggested by the campaigns.

DNC rules allow the chairman to pick the entire slate of 15 people who govern the platform that will be presented at the party convention in July.


Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-scores-platform-concessions-from-democratic-national-committee/2016/05/23/e9ee8330-20fc-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 11:02 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I guess the tactics of arm twisting works. He complains about the system, the same one which was in place when Obama won against Hillary in 2008 and he gets to decide what is on the democrat platform? I am not sure why democrats owe him so much. I know Hillary is going to need independents which lean more towards the left in the fall. Are the democrats being blackmailed by Sander supporters? Regardless of whether I agree with Sanders or not, this just does not seem normal to me.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 11:10 am
@revelette2,
Somehow I feel getting my and a very large proportion of those progressives' (which Hilary Clinton needs to beat Donald Trump) interests on the platform is a good thing that will only help Hilary Clinton and the down-ticket Congressional candidates.

Congress is much more important than Hilary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Even Hilary has put her scorched earth campaigning behind her and has admitted that Bernie Sanders has brought voters into the Democratic Party and has caused her to refine her own positions. This was done not because Bernie Sanders is a minority voice of voters or even Democratic voters. The DNC better open up the tent and seems to be moving a bit more to the left to do it.
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