Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

If I remember correctly, you said yourself you was a "Goldwater boy."

Pretty sure the context is obvious. She is one of those "feel the bern" and would rather vote Trump this election (not way back when) than to continue progress of progressives by voting for whoever wins the democrat ticket including Hillary.

Gotta admit, she has kept her looks.

Thats right. I was.

So how about we cut Susan a little slack like we've cut Hillary and me?

Like I said, Susan (what is her last name?) apparently would rather vote Trump than Hillary who will at least keep planned parenthood and other progressive issues on the platform. Trump will not, he will have to please his base until his second term in office by which time and a supreme court Judge would already had been picked setting progressives back years. Like you said, context matters, Susan choosing is Trump in this time and era affecting lives today and the future.

Susan Sarandon is making this choice as an adult. You and Hillary were in high school, too young to vote, when they were for Goldwater. And within four years, Hillary had turned Democrat and was against VietNam.

Hey, my buddy and I saw Susan Sarandon in Cuba. When she walked into the restaurant we were in, La Guarida, she walked out when my buddy started talking to her. Snotty.

That's not restricted to politics; it also applies to religious belief.

I wish Bernie was as interested in getting democratic congressmen elected as he is in getting himself elected. As far as I can tell he thinks the presidency is a dictatorship and he dosent need anyone else to get free collage education, free health care, and all the other free stuff he is promising the gullible voters. The reason he cant get old folks to vote for him is because we have heard this crap for 70 years and have yet to see any of it come to fruition.

People are gullible: Believing the free stuff promised by Sanders shows how naive Americans are. Somebody has to pay for all that. Besides that, college education isn't going to become free all of sudden because Sanders gets elected. There's a thing called congress that enacts laws for this country.

And it's the same thing with his $15 national increase in minimum wage, and his single-payer health care, and his breaking up of the big banks. They are all things he's been droning on about for 15 years in obscurity. The only difference now is that he's got millions of feckless moonbats running around behind him now, babbling "Revolution!" Bernie Sanders "movement" has served, and can still serve, a good purpose in forcing Democrats into a more progressive direction, and maybe (I hope) sweeping some Dems into down-ticket offices. But all this maniacal flapping about is going to amount to in the short term is changing the wording of that platform document that no one will read.

Snood. Really? $15 minimum wage is happening in states and cities all around the US. Standard Oil and ATT/ITT were each broken up with one legislation and so can the banks. They were deregulated in one legislation and they can be broken up in one legislation.

Marijauna will never be legalized and Jim Crow laws will be with us forever.

All it takes is a tipping point.

"Moonbats"? Hardly over the top, because as we know all Clinton supporters don't use that kind of hyperbole, right?

The conservatives are not going to accept a federal minimum wage increase from $7.25 to 15 dollars an hour. The federal minimum wage hasn't been increased since July 24, 2009. Conservative governors and conservatives in congress would fight tooth and nail to keep such a huge increase from happening. Perhaps it could be a starting place and then when another lower number is suggested, it will be more acceptable for conservatives. (I think that was a trick Bill Clinton used.) I know some states have raised their minimum wage, but it has been slow going. Incrementalism works better than trying to make huge leaps all at once.




State Minimum Wages | 2016 Minimum Wage by State

On free college, I think Hillary's suggestion of those who have loans being able to negotiate with banks is a good one. Also, we need better ways of having outright free grants rather than loans that have to be paid back. Obama idea of having free community college is doable in my opinion and a very good idea as it would be more work oriented of the kind of job you want when you get out. Too many in college just seem to take classes with no real significance of what kind of job they get when they get out and waste a lot of money and time.

When (if ever) it is revealed that the kind of "tipping point" that will be needed to accomplish Bernie's "proposals" will involve serious tax increases to working people, the pie-in-the-sky won't look so appetizing.
All those gains you mentioned happened under an "incremental" President, without a "Democratic socialist" takeover of government. If you feel the need to attach your wagon to Bernie Sanders, it's your privilege. If you want to put my calling Sanders followers moonbats as equivalent to the kind of (evil, thieving, gullible, cheating, lying, etc) jargon the Sanders people use, that's your privilege too.

Sanders is right now carried away by tens of thousands of people chanting his name - anyone would be. But he's only bought himself one more month of us having to listen to his broken record. Then he will have to acknowledge that he's lost this nomination, like most of us will have known for several months.

Bernie is beginning to "bern my onion"...

Pie in the sky? What about the pork in sky?

The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II is a program thats decades late and costs into the trillions (many times more than when this system was announced THIRTY YEARS AGO) and would be sold to the different services for $135,000,000 each to the Army and $250,000,000 each to the Navy. Lockheed finally supplied three for testing (two decades late) this week and only one was flyable.

We can't afford education and health but we can afford a non performing boondoggle of a pork barrel.

Corn producers are paid billions a year in price supports to make sweeteners that sell at an under market to cost so that taxpayers end up giving welfare to farmers, corn producers, soda pop and breakfast food manufacturers.

We give billion a year to oil companies to subsidize their search for more reserves in the face of a collapsing market and introduction of new sources for electrical generation.

And we don't want to tax these WELFARE WHORES.

But we can't get single payer or free education or use alternative energy.

Western Europe do all those things and have better economies than the US.

Can't afford them? We're doing piss poor without them.

I thought it was only Bernie supporters who bring the level of the conversation down.

I can vote gladly for either Bernie or Hillary. Its the partisanship that makes me weep.

Who gives a fig about what the conservatives think? Don't vote for Bernie because Conservatives won't like it? Really?

It implies conservative Hillary supporters will vote for Trump if Bernie gets the nod. Or that the conservatives prefer Hillary to Trump.

The partisans are not very logical, are they???

One thing is sure: we've framed it as a minimum wage when it needs to framed as a living wage.