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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 12:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Try this: https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=republican+gridlock+congress&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 12:20 pm
Technically Trump only has 12% of the voters for the primaries. He is digging deep against Clinton, even a recent ad against her barking like a dog (obviously soundbited) but he will be nasty. Its not that I worry her policies wont stand up to his, I just dont know if she can be as ruthless as he is...and Im not sure I want her to be. There is nothing I disrespect more then lying and cheating just to win. I know all politicians do it, but the "norm" is acceptable. Trump is a level above that. I dont want that to be the new "norm."
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 12:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Women's health is a single issue? Really? BTW, I'm not on the 'left.'

You guys on the left treat abortion like it is the totality of womens health issues. If someone is against abortion then they are against womens health.

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Have you heard of the republican gridlock yet? Just wondering.


You mean have I heard of the GOP not giving Obama his way on everything he wants? Yeah I've heard of it and I approve. I'm sure if the Dems get Congress back and the GOP wins the White House that they will do the same exact thing. Our form of govt was never designed for one person or one party getting everything they want. Obama has no leg to stand on in this debate. He spent over 20 months working out a nuke deal with Iran but didn't want to wait 4 months to work on immigration with the GOP lead Congress.
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 12:57 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
2003 - Governor Deval Patrick recalls Grover Norquist’s comments on plans for a “permanent Republican majority.”


At our 25th college reunion in 2003, Grover Norquist — the brain and able spokesman for the radical right — and I, along with other classmates who had been in public or political life, participated in a lively panel discussion about politics. During his presentation, Norquist explained why he believed that there would be a permanent Republican majority in America.


One person interrupted, as I recall, and said, “C’mon, Grover, surely one day a Democrat will win the White House.”

Norquist immediately replied: “We will make it so that a Democrat cannot govern as a Democrat.”

2009 - As Michael Grunwald reported, these two ideas coalesced into a Republican plan on how to respond to the election of President Barack Obama.


…the Republican plot to obstruct President Obama before he even took office, including secret meetings led by House GOP whip Eric Cantor (in December 2008) and Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (in early January 2009) in which they laid out their daring (though cynical and political) no-honeymoon strategy of all-out resistance to a popular President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.”


2010 - Having implemented that plan in response to President Obama’s proposal to reform health care, former speech-writer for President George W. Bush - David Frum - is ejected from the party for writing this:


At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo - just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994…


Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan…Too late now. They are all the law.

2011 - Former Republican Congressional staffer Mike Lofgren explains the strategy.


A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress’s generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner.


So let’s be clear…this was a consciously thought-out strategy by Republicans to create dysfunction in Congress that never fit the “both sides do it” meme embraced by much of the media.

As I’ve pointed out before, President Obama has engaged a lot of different strategies to deal with this obstruction that have each had various amounts of success at different times. But as we head into the next presidential election, we’re likely to hear a lot about how Washington doesn’t work.

That will be the big challenge for the Democratic nominee in 2016. I only wish it was possible for them to take Paul Waldman’s advice.


So imagine if a candidate in the general election, or a president in his inaugural speech, said, “This is my program. I realize that the folks in the other party don’t like it. There may be a few places where we can compromise, and if so, that would be terrific. But I’m going to treat the voters like adults and tell them that I’m not expecting a whole lot of cooperation. I’m going to fight for what I promised to do when I ran, and if you don’t like the results, you can turn me out in four years.”


That would at least be honest, and nobody would be disappointed when the result is partisan fighting.


sorce
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 12:58 pm
@Baldimo,
You seem to be blind to what is actually happening, Baldimo. This isn't a case of the GOP selectively opposing some of Obama's proposals. They have blocked more than any past Congress has ever done, from legislation to appointments.

Obama spend 6 years trying to get a deal from Congress on immigration. They weren't interested. Your 4 month argument is completely disingenuous.

You're right. Our government wasn't designed for one party to get everything they want. So which party is it who's rhetoric and actions have been where they refuse to compromise on anything? Look at this from an unbiased stance and you might be surprised.
From lack of legislation to refusal to budge on the budget to refusal to approve judges in a timely fashion there can only be one answer. Obama has hardly done more than any other President. Reagan issued a lot more Executive orders than Obama has.
Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 01:10 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

You seem to be blind to what is actually happening, Baldimo. This isn't a case of the GOP selectively opposing some of Obama's proposals. They have blocked more than any past Congress has ever done, from legislation to appointments.

Obama spend 6 years trying to get a deal from Congress on immigration. They weren't interested. Your 4 month argument is completely disingenuous.

You're right. Our government wasn't designed for one party to get everything they want. So which party is it who's rhetoric and actions have been where they refuse to compromise on anything? Look at this from an unbiased stance and you might be surprised.
From lack of legislation to refusal to budge on the budget to refusal to approve judges in a timely fashion there can only be one answer
. Obama has hardly done more than any other President. Reagan issued a lot more Executive orders than Obama has.


Nail on head! This president has been obstructed even from moderate proposals over and over again. The Tea Party (uncompromisers) have destroyed what America was founded on. Listen to Cruz today in his Stump speeches, he still preaches absolute u compromise. He caused the shutdown too which caused the country hundreds of millions of dollars they claim they want to save. Even GOP dont like him. They know hes too radical too. The GOP has feared Obama being too progressive, so he has been prejudged from his inauguration. Sure he passed health care. Its been a necessity in this country for years. But instead of GOP trying to improve it, they say repeal and replace. REPLACE? Pfft...never. They have a chance of passing immigration reform. That could be their legacy, but how it that going? If dems get the congress back and a dem in office, that MIGHT ACTUALLY GET DONE TOO! What has the GOP done in the last years besides curtail rights, destroy our economy, leave us in a vicious deficit, and start a war we didnt need.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 01:14 pm
@parados,
Obama didn't get his way and that is called obstructionism. Keep crying about it Parados. Obama was more a friend to the Iranians then he was to his own citizens.
Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 01:24 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Obama didn't get his way and that is called obstructionism. Keep crying about it Parados. Obama was more a friend to the Iranians then he was to his own citizens.

Stop watching Fox news. That crap will rot your brain.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 01:27 pm
@Lilkanyon,
His brain is already tottering, never to return to normal.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 01:53 pm
@Lilkanyon,
I guess that is always the last desperate post to make when you have something else to say.
Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 01:58 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

I guess that is always the last desperate post to make when you have something else to say.


I figured "something" else to say would already be beating a dead horse. Its up to you to do your research, learn the truth, or just believe what people feed you. Thats your decision. Dems arent perfect, but GOP, even today are being aholes. Explain the supreme courty nominee obstruction. Pls give me a good reason for that!
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 02:04 pm
@Lilkanyon,
You say this after hearing the words by Biden, Obama and Grassley? You do realize the GOP is just doing what those 3 guys said they would do in the same position...

I don't see a good reason for it, they should at least hear what he has to say then vote no. Plain and simple. They are under no obligation to vote yes because Obama asks them to, he should at least get a hearing.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 08:31 pm
@Baldimo,
Do you have examples of this?


I'll bet we will find Obama moved from his position and the GOP didn't move at all or not nearly as far as Obama. We have a GOP that is on record as saying they would obstruct everything Obama tried to do. The refusal to even consider a Supreme Court nominee with 10 months left in Obama's presidency is only the latest example of their being the ones that aren't friends to their own citizens. At no time in US history has any party done this with an actual opening in the court.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2016 09:16 pm
@glitterbag,
10 years for a democratic house. Elect dem governors. Redo house districts. Elect dems to state houses. Its what the republicans did.
Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2016 07:22 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

10 years for a democratic house. Elect dem governors. Redo house districts. Elect dems to state houses. Its what the republicans did.


I am not a fan of Bernie and his "revolution" nationally, but I wont be heart broken if it happened at state and local levels. Too bad what gerrymandering couldnt fix, voter laws are attempting to correct.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2016 07:04 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2016 07:02 am
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2016 08:43 am
@parados,
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You seem to be blind to what is actually happening, Baldimo.


It's willful blindness - willful ignorance. Nobody with two eyes and a modicum of honesty can deny the unprecedented obstructionism the right has been determinedly mounting since the very first day of Obama's first administration. They had a meeting to declare and agree they would work against this president attaining anything that could be construe as a success. Halfway through Obama's first term, Mitch McConnell announced openly that the "top priority" of the GOP should be to deny Obama a second term - they figured that was the best use of their time and resources TWO YEARS before the election of 2012.

Baldimo and others trying to act as if the obstructionism that faced this president is just politics as usual, or easily equivalent to what happened to some other president of modern times is just horseshit. It is unprecedented.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2016 01:13 pm
I can't believe they let your frugase ass post here.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Mar, 2016 01:14 pm
Trump, the racial bigot, has


no place representing ALL Americans.
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