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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
revelette3
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2021 12:14 pm
@Region Philbis,
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the R's are doing a great job of turning the ballot box against themselves... they don't seem to need our help

Hence their blatant voter suppression laws they are bent on having. Desperation.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2021 12:27 pm
@revelette3,
Preventing Democrats from cheating is hardly voter suppression.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2021 12:32 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
I wouldn't advise using that map for navigational purposes.
I'm sure, every navigator uses the latest updated charts/maps.

(Even Columbus used the latest available map: the 1491 map of the world, created by German cartographer Henricus Martellus.)
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2021 12:37 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I'm sure, every navigator uses the latest updated charts/maps.

I'd hope so.

Yet for some reason society is afflicted with preachers who don't use modern translations of the Bible.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2021 12:53 pm
@oralloy,
Well, the Itinerarium Sacrae Scripturae ("Travel book through Holy Scripture") wasn't though to be a map/chart for navigation but was THE biblical geography of THAT time.

Thus, it's a great source.

The difference to the KJV is that this the top-selling Bible from four centuries ago has woven itself deeply into the English speech and English-speaking countries' culture.
(Since English isn't my mother tongue, I remember from school e.g. John Steinbeck's East of Eden and The Grapes of Wrath, from my teenage discos the The Byrds' Turn Turn Turn, and from university a couple of the Essex Pauper Letters.)
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2021 02:36 pm
Georgia Governor Declares Water a Gateway Drug That Leads to Voting
The governor said that he was considering a number of measures to address water addiction, including stiffer penalties for voting while quenching.
By Andy Borowitz
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2021 08:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter, it's not my mother tongue either, but the only one I ever known🤔
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 05:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Any serious biblical researcher uses all translations and sources, they study words from the first known usage to the last, they study the context and remote context, they use apocryphal texts, they transliterate words and documents, even comparing antiquities usage of words from secular sources, lexographical texts. They compare every translation in parallel to then finally, make an educated extended translation of each word and verse. They then try and understand the mind of the person doing the writing or to whom the words are addressed to. Were they addressed to a Greek or a Jew, to a gentile possibly? Were they addressed to an educated adult person or a child? Were they addressed to a person privy to a certain set of facts, mannerisms or customs? They take geography into consideration and sometimes a source in a different language may convey the meaning more precisely due to the richness of vocabulary of that language and words that have a "mathematical accuracy". In this case, ancient Greek is an especially useful language to study biblical texts, because we have so many ancient sources with which to compare the same words and their meaning with, all the way from the flowery poetry of Homer to the scientific precision of Euclid. Some words have only one other ancient source i.e., Euclid to glean its meaning from. Then more research can be done to understand the intent of the authors and translators. As for the New Testament, the apostles claim to have overseen the Greek translation personally. So, could these translations have also been "God inspired"?

It is the cultist, closed minded, narrow of scope and unintelligent researcher with ulterior motives who uses a toilet to decipher the meaning of an ancient text. You can reason all day with a toilet and it will never answer you back, or disagree with foolishness and ignorance.

If you want something to just agree with you, use a Ouija board.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 05:45 am
This is what it looks like when a political party turns against democracy itself.
Opinion: The Republican Party Is Driving the Nation’s Democratic Decline
Quote:
The most outrageous provision of the Election Integrity Act of 2021, the omnibus election bill signed by Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia last week, is one that makes it illegal for anyone except poll workers to offer food or water directly to voters standing in line. Defenders of the law say that this is meant to stop electioneering at the polls; critics say it is a direct response to volunteers who assisted those Georgians, many of them Black, who waited for hours to cast their ballots in the 2020 presidential election.

Less outrageous but more insidious is a provision that removes the secretary of state from his (or her) position as chairman of the State Election Board and replaces him with a new nonpartisan member selected by a majority of the Georgia’s Republican-controlled Legislature. The law also gives the board, and by extension the Legislature, the power to suspend underperforming county election officials and replace them with a single individual.

Looming in the background of this “reform” is the current secretary of state Brad Raffensperger’s conflict with Donald Trump, who pressured him to subvert the election and deliver Trump a victory. What won Raffesnsperger praise and admiration from Democrats and mainstream observers has apparently doomed his prospects within the Republican Party, where “stop the steal” is dogma and Trump is still the rightful president to many. It is not even clear that Raffensperger will hold office after his term ends in 2023; he must fight off a primary challenge next year from Representative Jody Hice of Georgia’s 10th Congressional District, an outspoken defender of Trump’s attempt to overturn the election.

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This is what it looks like when a political party turns against democracy. It doesn’t just try to restrict the vote; it creates mechanisms to subvert the vote and attempts to purge officials who might stand in the way. Georgia is in the spotlight, for reasons past and present, but it is happening across the country wherever Republicans are in control.

Last Wednesday, for example, Republicans in Michigan introduced bills to limit use of ballot drop boxes, require photo ID for absentee ballots, and allow partisan observers to monitor and record all precinct audits. “Senate Republicans are committed to making it easier to vote and harder to cheat,” the State Senate majority leader, Mike Shirkey, said in a statement. Shirkey, you may recall, was one of two Michigan Republican leaders who met with Trump at his behest after the election. He also described the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6 as a “hoax.”

Republican lawmakers in Arizona, another swing state, have also introduced bills to limit absentee voting in accordance with the former president’s belief that greater access harmed his campaign. One proposal would require ID for mail-in ballots, and shorten the window for mail-in voters to receive and return their ballots. Another bill would purge from the state’s list of those who are automatically sent a mail-in ballot any voter who failed to cast such a ballot in “both the primary election and the general election for two consecutive primary and general elections.”

One Arizona Republican, John Kavanagh, a state representative, gave a sense of the party’s intent when he told CNN, “Not everybody wants to vote, and if somebody is uninterested in voting, that probably means that they’re totally uninformed on the issues.” He continued: “Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes, as well.”

In other words, Republicans are using the former president’s failed attempt to overturn the election as a guide to how you would change the system to make it possible. In Georgia, as we’ve seen, that means stripping power from an unreliable partisan and giving it, in effect, to the party itself. In Pennsylvania, where a state Supreme Court with a Democratic majority unanimously rejected a Republican lawsuit claiming that universal mail-in balloting was unconstitutional, it means working to end statewide election of justices, essentially gerrymandering the court. In Nebraska, which Republicans won, it means changing the way the state distributes its electoral votes, from a district-based system in which Democrats have a chance to win one potentially critical vote, as Joe Biden and Barack Obama did, to winner-take-all.

This fact pattern underscores a larger truth: that the Republican Party is driving the nation’s democratic decline. A recent paper by Jacob M. Grumbach, a political scientist at the University of Washington, makes this plain. Using a new measure of state-level democratic performance in the United States from 2000 to 2018, Grumbach finds that Republican control of state government “consistently and profoundly reduces state democratic performance during this time period.” The nationalization of American politics and the coordination of parties across states means that “state governments controlled by the same party behave similarly when they take power.” Republican-controlled governments in states as different as Alabama and Wisconsin have “taken similar actions with respect to democratic institutions.”

The Republican Party’s turn against democratic participation and political equality is evident in more than just these bills and proposals. You can see it in how Florida Republicans promptly instituted difficult-to-pay fines and fees akin to a poll tax after a supermajority of the state’s voters approved a constitutional amendment to end the disenfranchisement of most felons. You can see it in how Missouri Republicans simply ignored the results of a ballot initiative on Medicaid expansion.

Where does this all lead? Perhaps it just ends with a few new restrictions and new limits, enough, in conjunction with redistricting, to tilt the field in favor of the Republican Party in the next election cycle but not enough to substantially undermine American democracy. Looking at the 2020 election, however — and in particular at the 147 Congressional Republicans who voted not to certify the Electoral College vote — it’s not hard to imagine how this escalates, especially if Trump and his allies are still in control of the party.

If Republicans are building the infrastructure to subvert an election — to make it possible to overturn results or keep Democrats from claiming electoral votes — then we have to expect that given a chance, they’ll use it.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 06:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Excerpt:
One Arizona Republican, John Kavanagh, a state representative, gave a sense of the party’s intent when he told CNN, “Not everybody wants to vote, and if somebody is uninterested in voting, that probably means that they’re totally uninformed on the issues.” He continued: “Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes, as well.”

Comment:
Let's examine that statement.

Is a vote "quality" when it has been cast by a republican, unaware of the actual republican policies and instead has been fed Russian fake news (lies) denigrating and slandering the opposition?

A "quality" voter would never have supported Trump and the republicans.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 06:08 am
@TheCobbler,
People not wanting to vote is one thing.

Making it difficult for people to vote is another matter entirely.

Voting is easy over here, we can all vote postally if we want, yet we still have those who don’t bother voting.

It’s their choice. When the law makes it extremely difficult or next to impossible to vote the choice is taken from them.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 06:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
This is what it looks like when a political party turns against democracy itself.

Not really. That's what it looks like when people prevent the Democratic Party from cheating.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 06:48 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
Any serious biblical researcher uses all translations and sources,

Not really. They disregard inaccurate sources and focus on the most accurate sources that are available to them.


TheCobbler wrote:
As for the New Testament, the apostles claim to have overseen the Greek translation personally.

There is no "Greek translation of the New Testament".

Greek is the original language of the New Testament.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 07:22 am
@oralloy,
Oralloy wrote:
There is no "Greek translation of the New Testament".

Greek is the original language of the New Testament.


There is actually an Aramaic version of the New Testament.. the scriptures say that the Aramaic version was written first before the Greek though many scholars might argue with that. If the Aramaic was written first, as the scriptures claim, then the Greek New Testament would logically be a translation.

It might help if you didn't prejudge documents then shut them out before doing your research.
snood
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 07:24 am
Y’all might want to consider starting a Bible studies thread.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 07:27 am
@snood,
The Bible is egregiously used by republicans to justify many of their ballot box policies.

Politics and religion, what a novel ideal... lol
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 07:51 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:


There is actually an Aramaic version of the New Testament..


It’s all Greek to me.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 08:08 am
@izzythepush,
Lol Smile
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 08:22 am
@TheCobbler,
It’s a very old gag.

Shakespeare first cracked it in Julius Caesar.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2021 08:39 am
Broad, bipartisan appeal of Democrats' voting rights ideas alarms far-right billionaires
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/broad-bipartisan-appeal-of-democrats-voting-rights-ideas-alarms-far-right-billionaires-109355589575
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