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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 11:39 am
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:


the flipping of red states by Biden is as sure a sign as any that this country is ready for a seasoned politician
to lead us out of the ******* mess The Dotard left behind...

He is seasoned and burnt. He could not find his asshole with radar. He leads no one, they lead him. No one is buying these lies except dishonest or terribly stupid people.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 11:55 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Now is the time for the American people to oppose and undermine the Biden Administration at every turn.


“Now” isn’t quite “the time” for whatever fuckery you’re referring to. It’s going to have to wait about 10 weeks.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 12:00 pm
@snood,
There's no reason why the American people can't start opposing and undermining the Biden Administration right now.

Mr. Trump should take steps so that the US Air Force has control over their ICBMs and can launch them without presidential authority. That way if there's a nuclear war and Mr. Biden responds by surrendering instead of annihilating, the military can just launch their nukes without his permission.

Mr. Trump should also appoint some independent prosecutors to hound the Biden Administration with various criminal investigations.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 12:09 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

There's no reason why the American people can't start opposing and undermining the Biden Administration right now.


Here’s one reason: An ‘administration’ in this case would mean an extended organization that is in position to make and implement policy. In other words, to administer governing actions.

There isn’t any Biden Administration for them to undermine, oppose or show their asses toward until January 21, 2021.

So just like we can’t really officially celebrate the Dotard being out of power until he’s gone, your fuckery will have to wait until Biden is officially sworn in.
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Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 12:16 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Mr. Trump should take steps so that the US Air Force has control over their ICBMs and can launch them without presidential authority. That way if there's a nuclear war and Mr. Biden responds by surrendering instead of annihilating, the military can just launch their nukes without his permission.


That cannot be done as the President is the Commander in Chief, as dictated by the US Constitution. Also, that idea is psychotic.

Quote:
Mr. Trump should also appoint some independent prosecutors to hound the Biden Administration with various criminal investigations.

You never answered my questions from the other thread.

So how is Trump supposed to appoint an independent prosecutor against an administration who hasn't even done anything yet? Is this prosecutor supposed to make sure the new admin follows the law, or to investigate Biden on his past actions during the Obama Administration?

If the latter, then why hasn't Trump ordered an investigation during his last 4 years? He promised an investigation for Hillary Clinton but he never had one.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 12:58 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:
That cannot be done as the President is the Commander in Chief, as dictated by the US Constitution.

It can most certainly be done. All during the Cold War, the US Air Force had the ICBM launch codes secretly set to 00000000.

The codes that the President might send to the Air Force were still useful in authenticating that an order was valid, but the Air Force was more than able to launch their ICBMs without receiving the President's codes.


Rebelofnj wrote:
Also, that idea is psychotic.

Not at all. Why should the control of our nuclear arsenal rest in Mr. Biden's hands? Let him think he has control, but put the real control in the hands of the military.


Rebelofnj wrote:
You never answered my questions from the other thread.

I'm just now swinging back around to that thread to answer another round of posts.

It's a busy thread though. I'm not going to sit at my computer all day and answer posts there. So subsequent replies in that thread after this coming round of replies might come later tonight or even tomorrow.

I will probably catch up on replies sooner on this thread, as it is slower moving and much less time consuming.


Rebelofnj wrote:
So how is Trump supposed to appoint an independent prosecutor against an administration who hasn't even done anything yet? Is this prosecutor supposed to make sure the new admin follows the law, or to investigate Biden on his past actions during the Obama Administration?

One thing they can investigate is the various Ukraine scandals. Maybe also that laptop computer thing.


Rebelofnj wrote:
If the latter, then why hasn't Trump ordered an investigation during his last 4 years? He promised an investigation for Hillary Clinton but he never had one.

He should have done so.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 01:27 pm
@oralloy,
Because the Military is controlled by Civilians. If you give the Military control over civilians, congrats, you now void the constitution.
Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 01:27 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Why should the control of our nuclear arsenal rest in Mr. Biden's hands?


Because it has been the case that every US President since Truman have the sole authority to use nuclear bombs.

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/03/555266383/why-president-trump-has-exclusive-authority-to-order-a-nuclear-strike
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 01:29 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Not during the Cold War when the US Air Force had the ability to launch the ICBMs without any input from the President.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 01:33 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Maybe oral never trusted Trump to have access to nuclear weapons, I can understand that, but nevertheless the responsibility is the Commander in Chief's alone.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 01:36 pm
@Rebelofnj,
My heartfelt sympathies. I too am experiencing firsthand what it’s like trying to reason with a fool.
Who’s not only a fool, but a disingenuous fool.
Who’s not only stupid and dishonest, but he’s that kind of stupid that thinks it’s smart.
A real Lose/lose proposition to try to discuss anything with them.

Here’s hoping we all learn to give up trying soon.
For our collective mental health.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 03:12 pm
@snood,
You are the only person here with a low IQ. You are the only person here who is dishonest.

When I get back to that other thread (which may not be until tomorrow, but we'll see how it goes) I'm not going to bother answering your question.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 03:15 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Maybe oral never trusted Trump to have access to nuclear weapons,

Not at all. I trust Mr. Trump to launch a massive nuclear strike if America finds itself in a nuclear war.

It's Mr. Biden who I do not trust to launch a massive nuclear strike if America finds itself in a nuclear war.


glitterbag wrote:
I can understand that, but nevertheless the responsibility is the Commander in Chief's alone.

Not exactly. During the Cold War, the Air Force had the ability to launch their ICBMs without the knowledge or permission of the President.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 03:20 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Because the Military is controlled by Civilians.

Not if Mr. Trump secretly gives the military the ability to control themselves.


glitterbag wrote:
If you give the Military control over civilians, congrats, you now void the constitution.

True, but I was not proposing giving the military control over civilians. I was proposing giving the military control over the nation's ICBMs.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 03:20 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

My heartfelt sympathies. I too am experiencing firsthand what it’s like trying to reason with a fool.
Who’s not only a fool, but a disingenuous fool.
Who’s not only stupid and dishonest, but he’s that kind of stupid that thinks it’s smart.
A real Lose/lose proposition to try to discuss anything with them.

Here’s hoping we all learn to give up trying soon.
For our collective mental health.

Cool gossip there. Got anymore? What are your neighbors doing? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 03:25 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
...I trust Trump to launch a massive nuclear strike...


Seeing as how it would be your sacred idol Trump, I would like to warn you ahead of time, strikes from Trump would most likely be aimed at United States cities and towns...

oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 03:27 pm
@Sturgis,
Nuking progressives. I dig it.

But anyway, my point is that it will be a Good Thing™ to ensure that the Air Force is able to launch their ICBMs even without Mr. Biden's permission.
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Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 03:29 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Not exactly. During the Cold War, the Air Force had the ability to launch their ICBMs without the knowledge or permission of the President.


Can you provide a link to that? Because I can't find anything about The US Air Force the ability to launch nuclear weapons without the President's authorization. That would make the whole Nuclear Football protocol (developed during the Cold War) very redundant.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 03:32 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Link: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/12/launch-code-for-us-nukes-was-00000000-for-20-years/

The nuclear codes were still useful for ensuring that a launch order from the President was valid (had such an order been given).

The codes just weren't necessary to launch the ICBMs.

What if the Soviets had launched a massive strike at us, our ICBM silos were about to be destroyed, and the President was hesitating because he didn't want to launch our ICBMs in case it was a false alarm?

This allowed the Air Force to disregard the President and launch the ICBMs without his permission.
Rebelofnj
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2020 04:14 pm
@oralloy,
According to the links in the Ars Technica article, the Strategic Air Command was not supposed to bypass the chain of command for their own convenience. This goes against President Kennedy's order for every nuclear weapon "be outfitted with a Permissive Action Link to prevent unauthorized access to the weapons."

Quote:
Despite Kennedy’s order, it would be nearly two decades before the PAL system was activated. Robert McNamara, JFK’s Secretary of Defense, supervised the installation of the PAL devices on Minuteman silos in the U.S.
However, the Strategic Air Command greatly resented McNamara’s presence. Virtually as soon as McNamara left the Defense Department, the code to launch all 50 missiles was set to 00000000.
It is important to note that, although someone could gain access to a nuclear weapon with the 00000000 code, the process of arming the actual warhead was much more complex.

So to recap, for around 20 years, the Strategic Air Command went out of there way to make launching a nuclear missile as easy, and quick, as possible. To be fair, they had their reasons, such as the fact that the soldiers in the silos in the case of a real nuclear war may have needed to be able to launch the missiles without being able to contact anyone on the outside. That said, their actions were in direct violation of the orders of the Commander-in-Chief, the President of the United States, during a time of extreme nuclear tension. Further, not activating this safeguard and lax security ensured that with very little planning, someone with three friends who had a mind to, could have started World War III.


https://gizmodo.com/for-20-years-the-nuclear-launch-code-at-us-minuteman-si-1473483587
 

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