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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 07:34 am
@MontereyJack,
Exactly.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 07:35 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Britain is composed of three countries, England, Scotland and Wales. If we're talking about the UK that includes Northern Ireland.

There's no such thing as a British accent, people have Scottish, Welsh or English accents.


Officious much? If someone is described to me as having a British accent, I understand what they mean. If told someone has a southern twang, it doesn’t naturally follow to ask whether it sounds more like East Texas or South Carolina.

Jeebus.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 07:38 am
@snood,
Not at all. If someone uses the term British accent it usually means they know nothing about the UK and the variety of accents spoken there.

Usually they mean English an accent, they very rarely describe a Scottish accent as a British accent. That’s if they hear a genuine one, not the ersatz rubbish spoken by the actors who voice/play Scotty from Star Trek, Scrooge McDuck or Groundskeeper Willy.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 07:41 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Britain is composed of three countries, England, Scotland and Wales. If we're talking about the UK that includes Northern Ireland.

There's no such thing as a British accent, people have Scottish, Welsh or English accents.

Aren't there different accents for different cities and social classes? Can you generalize that everyone in England talks with the same accent regardless of municipality or social class?

I once thought someone sounded Irish but they told me it was a Liverpool accent. I know how the Beatles sound, but I thought the person sounded more like what I associate as Irish, but of course hearing is very subjective.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 07:44 am
@livinglava,
I’ve already answered that question. You wouldn’t know a Geordie accent if it bit you on the arse.

There’s nothing wrong with generalisation but British accent is a generalisation too far.

Have you ever even been to the UK?
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 08:04 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I’ve already answered that question. You wouldn’t know a Geordie accent if it bit you on the arse.

There’s nothing wrong with generalisation but British accent is a generalisation too far.

Have you ever even been to the UK?

If you can generalize about different local accents as all being English accents, then why is generalizing about a British accent 'too far,' except maybe because people don't want to consider themselves part of the same category with all other British people?

If someone would say there is a North American accent, some people would scoff and say that North America includes Spanish and French speakers as well as English, but on the other hand you could probably identify a common way of speaking that is different from Europeans ways of speaking, which are probably generally more focused on discipline and accuracy of pronunciation, while North Americans probably talk in a generally looser and more relaxed way. This might be too stereotypical, but I'm just guessing.

The point is that classifying accents is subjective, just like racism more generally. You can look at people and say they look similar to each other but different from another group, etc. but it really depends on which groups you're lumping together as similar and which other groups your lumping together as different.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 08:08 am
@livinglava,
Have you ever been to the UK?
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 08:09 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Have you ever been to the UK?

I'm not discussing my personal life history with you. We were discussing classification using examples.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 08:22 am
@livinglava,
Of course social class has a large influence on accent: moving around for work, travel and study, thereby interacting with and being influenced by a variety of different people, changes your accent. But if you are constantly surrounded by people who sound like yourself, there is no outside impulse to change the way you speak.

The most influential factor on accent is that of social identity - for instance those who self-identify the strongest with Scotland and want to be independent from the UK are most likely to have a strong, unwavering Scottish accent.
(That's not only from personal experience but see: Accent and Identity on the Scottish/English Border (AISEB). More anecdotally: in the 60's, I was often told to have a Scottish accent - mainly because I could pronounce Auchtermuchty and Ardnamurchan properly, knw what graip and chappit tatties is ...)
So dinna fash yersel
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 08:33 am
@livinglava,
It’s hardly a personal question. I can safely assume you’ve never been here, but knowing nothing about something has never stopped you lecturing.

Most of what you’re saying is obvious to all and sundry, but only you can utter it like you’re delivering the wisdom of the ancients.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 08:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I doubt Ll will ken.

I lived in N’cassle, they call the Scots hairies and get very angry if anyone dares accuse them of being Scots.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 09:06 am
@izzythepush,
My Scottish friend stayed with me when I was in school and joined me there. Our English assistant teacher at that time was from Newcastle. Very Happy
(Our proper English teacher stopped both read aloud Macbeth.)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 09:14 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Did he read the Dandy?

Come to think of it I don’t think it would have made any odds. The Jocks and the Geordies comic strip didn’t appear until 1975.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 09:17 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

It’s hardly a personal question. I can safely assume you’ve never been here, but knowing nothing about something has never stopped you lecturing.

It is not a general question about a topic, but rather a question about my personal background and life history.
Of course I will talk about anything I have thoughts about regardless of where I have stepped foot geographically or not. Only a few people have set foot on the moon and plenty of people discuss that as well.
We have this thing now called information media where people can get information about lots of different things regardless of where they are or go geographically. It's very liberating.

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Most of what you’re saying is obvious to all and sundry, but only you can utter it like you’re delivering the wisdom of the ancients.

You're obviously more concerned about status than about discussion for the sake of exploring and developing thought. If you read something that is 'obvious and sundry,' you could add something more interesting if you had the ability to think critically enough to do so without going off onto randomly tangential topics, like whether the lack of a tail makes humans less of a chordate than other chordates.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 09:24 am
@livinglava,
Don’t be ridiculous.

The fact that you react in such an extreme way to a very innocuous question suggests you’re one of those idiots who doesn’t even have a passport. Someone who’s too **** scared to venture outside the goodolyooessay despite all your bluster about guns.

It would explain your ignorance on most subjects.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 09:40 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Don’t be ridiculous.

The fact that you react in such an extreme way to a very innocuous question suggests you’re one of those idiots who doesn’t even have a passport. Someone who’s too **** scared to venture outside the goodolyooessay despite all your bluster about guns.

It would explain your ignorance on most subjects.

Maybe I just don't like people who are racist/classist against those 'too **** scared to venture outside the goodolyooessay.'

Either way, my point about information media stands. You can get a better seat at a concert by watching it on TV and you can take a tour of any museum or city using streetview or some other virtual method. You can hear more of what people have to say by listening to their vlogs and Youtube videos than by going places and talking to people on the street or in cafes.

Really the only purpose for tourism is to get rich people to spread money around the world and spend money on CO2-emitting fuel and stimulate investment in tourist attractions.

When you get in a conversation with 'locals,' all that you are going to see is the side of them that interacts with people they deem foreign. If you wanted to see how they really are, you would have to become one of them, and no matter how long you live where they live, they are going to still view you as a foreigner.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 09:40 am
@izzythepush,
Actually, just the line "A drum, a drum, Macbeth has come" was enough.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 09:47 am
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:
You can get a better seat at a concert by watching it on TV and you can take a tour of any museum or city using streetview or some other virtual method. You can hear more of what people have to say by listening to their vlogs and Youtube videos than by going places and talking to people on the street or in cafes.


That seems a very lonely existence though. Part of "being there" is being there.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 09:59 am
@livinglava,
Spoken by someone who has never travelled. No wonder you spend so much time on here.

You have no idea what somewhere is like until you go there and get a feel for the place. That’s certainly the case for everywhere I’ve visited, Tuscany, Prague, Paris, Amsterdam and Copenhagen to name but a few.

I can’t include London as I went there so much as a kid. I can’t remember not having been to London, but so many people say it’s not like anything they imagined.

A lot of Americans find it’s like New York.

I’ve never been to New York, unless you count the town in Tyne and Wear, so I couldn’t say.

MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 10:05 am
@oralloy,
I had a parrot for a number of years who was almost as good at repeating the same nonsense phrases oker and over as you are.
 

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