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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
Sturgis
 
  3  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 02:14 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
I thought his bump would have lasted a bit longer.

So did he. Let's be grateful for the swiftness of the decline.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 02:29 pm
@Sturgis,
Quote:
Let's be grateful for the swiftness of the decline.

There is no decline. Trump garners 40% and always has. It goes up from there, not down.
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 03:31 pm
@ehBeth,
How does she figure there were Nazi's there, they were using the swastika against her indicating she was a fascist dictator. Oh how the media lies, and you are helping them.
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 03:32 pm
@ehBeth,
He asked about swastikas and nooses and you present him a picture with a Confederate flag in it? Once again trying to push the propaganda?
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 03:35 pm
@Sturgis,
Didn't you hear the news today, the DOJ dropped all charges against general Michael Flynn. The fake Russia collusion scandal is finally starting to unwind and the truth is going to come out. The Left and main stream media have been lying to the American people for 3 years now there will be retribution.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 04:16 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
Once again trying to push the propaganda?

It is what she does, and more people are recognizing that fact.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 04:55 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
I cite the facts. You cite your opinion, as usual.

You cannot provide any examples of me ever citing an opinion.

Untrue allegations about me are another form of fallacy. This time you're committing an ad hominem fallacy.

I guess you really do have no answer to the fact that conservatives do not actually violate people's civil rights.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 04:57 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
I guess you enjoy the back and forth with Oralloy. I think I understand why he keeps baiting you. He gets your attention, and hours of entertainment.

It is an interesting look into the mind of a progressive to see how they regard honest and factual discussion as "baiting".


snood wrote:
I'm not sure what you get out of it though. The totally predictable self-aggrandizement; the mindless dedication to defending all things Trump; the stupid right wing "sources" offered up to augment his stupid arguments?

You cannot provide examples of me doing any of that.


snood wrote:
You've said in the past you keep feeding this insatiable troll

I guess a lot of people don't understand what trolling is, so you're in good company.

But note that "pointing out facts that you wish were not true" is not what trolling means.


snood wrote:
because you "don't want him to think he's getting away" with his bullshit.

Funny how no one can point out any recent errors on my part.

Except for maybe after the New Hampshire primary when I wrongly admitted an error for predicting that Biden would be the nominee. It appears that my admission of an error was in fact the actual error.


snood wrote:
That would be reasonable if only if you were dealing with someone who demonstrated critical thinking or an open mind. There is no evidence of thinking or mind at all - leave alone critical or open.

I have quite a bit of a mind. My IQ is 170.

Just because I am not open to your fact-free nonsense does not mean I don't have an open mind to people who come prepared with reputable facts and sound logic.

Incidentally, you've made a serious logic error here. Had I actually been saying something that is untrue, there would still be a benefit for challenging my words even if I was not receptive to the challenge. It would ensure that untrue statements do not go unchallenged.

That is in fact the very reason why I challenge untrue statements from progressives even though progressives seldom care that their statements are untrue.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 06:00 pm
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TheCobbler
 
  4  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 06:02 pm
@livinglava,
Is there really anything positive to say at all about Trump?

No.
livinglava
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 06:41 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:

Is there really anything positive to say at all about Trump?

Trump is playing a necessary role in politics and media right now. Democracy was dysfunctional and Trump is bringing the dysfunction to a head by allowing the haters to burn themselves up in negative reactionism.

When you finally wear yourself with frothing over Trump, you might realize that you have to calm down and talk about ideas to have democracy.
TheCobbler
 
  5  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 07:20 pm
@livinglava,
If you think being a racist, crooked liar and an imbecile of a president is "necessary" then you are the one who needs a rude realization.

Democracy was made dysfunctional by Republicans with fake news, Russian meddling in our political systems, social networks and media.

Democracy dysfunctional??? Like closing voting centers down, making it harder for people to vote, telling black people on Facebook to be afraid if they go out and vote on election day, that armed militias will be there waiting for them? That kind of dysfunctional?

Closing weekend voting (when most laborers vote), making people get IDs but closing motor vehicle offices in predominantly black areas where IDs are required? Is this what you mean?

And you think we on the left are gonna calm down and forget our negative reaction to this attack on our democracy?

NEVER!

If you think a functioning democracy is exemplified by making it harder for mostly black liberals to vote then you have another thing coming.

You are living in la la land and it is a pity that the part of you that is slightly sensible is made completely null and void by such rank stupidity.

There is nothing necessary about Trump, he will be voted out of office, tried for high crimes and convicted, and all of his racist policies will be undone and made public for all the world to forever see what a piece of **** president he was.

And your idiot words defending him will be on this forum forever reminding you of your shameful involvement in this dark and immoral chapter in history.

We on the left are far from frothing, we are mobilized and the democratic machinery is in place to rid our country of this hideous blight of republican corruption.

Are we on the left the "haters" or, maybe the republicans carry their guns in public, carrying swastikas and confederate flags? Did it ever occur to you that these might instead be the "haters"?

Every time you open your mouth defending Trump, sewage comes out... It must really suck to be you...
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TheCobbler
 
  3  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 07:28 pm
@Baldimo,
Who is the fascist dictator telling the media his power is absolute and telling state elected governors they have to expose their citizens to death and body bags?

And they were carrying the confederate flags because the democratic governor is pro slavery! (cynical)
TheCobbler
 
  3  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 07:56 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
There is no decline. Trump garners 40% and always has. It goes up from there, not down.



Trump’s unhinged rant about a new attack ad shows his weakness
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/05/trumps-unhinged-rant-about-new-attack-ad-shows-his-weakness/

President Trump’s relentless focus on the most dire public health and economic crises in modern U.S. history must be excruciatingly stressful to him, which is surely why he took a short break Monday night to unleash an insane rant about a digital ad.

That rant comes as new reporting indicates that Trump is rebooting his reelection strategy, to move past the coronavirus and on to his plans to rebuild our economy in spectacular fashion.

But if you unpack the argument in Trump’s rant — yes, there really is an argument there — it actually points to profound weaknesses in his new reelection message, in a way that makes a real statement about the past decade of U.S. politics.

Trump’s Twitter explosion was directed at a brutal new ad created by the Never Trump Republicans at the Lincoln Project. Trump hurled childish insults at the group, which includes George Conway, husband of Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway.

Trump raged that he is a winner, while they are “LOSERS" who represent the GOP that Barack Obama beat in 2008 and 2012. In the 2016 primaries, Trump seethed, they “got BADLY beaten by me, a political first timer.”

In contrast to those losers, Trump fumed, he delivered for the GOP: two Supreme Court justices and the “biggest EVER Tax & Regulation cuts.”

But this very boast on taxes and regulations shows why Trump’s reelection case is so weak. It’s a reminder that as president, he fully embraced GOP plutocracy and sold out on the sham economic populism that, by his own mythology, enabled him to outdo all those Republicans. He is revealing the corrupt bargain he has since made with conservative economic elites.

The original idea was that Trump would win reelection in spite of that enormous betrayal. He would coast on the good economy he largely inherited, and falsely give his policies credit for it, thus obscuring their true plutocratic nature, paving the way for more plutocracy to come.

But the coronavirus has reduced those designs to smoldering ruins.

The new ad from the Lincoln Project captures this in extremely stark and vivid terms:

Trump is raging about “Mourning in America,” a play on Ronald Reagan’s upbeat 1984 reelection ad depicting America rising out of the ashes of the 1970s.

A more apt comparison is to Trump’s 2016 ads. The Lincoln Project spot repurposes imagery — rusted-out factories, stagnating small towns — that Trump used to portray “American carnage” in the industrial Midwestern and Appalachian heartlands.

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But the new spot uses this imagery against Trump. It depicts the extraordinary economic calamity we’re sliding into, in part because the coronavirus rampaged out of control — requiring much more stringent economic lockdowns — due to his catastrophic failures.

The new strategy
As Bloomberg reports, this is forcing an overhaul of a reelection strategy premised on the good economy. The new line? Trump will rebuild the economy again, after having supposedly done so before:

The new campaign message is that he can rebuild the economy better than presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden, who the Trump camp argues co-piloted a sluggish rebound from the 2008 financial crisis, according to two officials familiar with the strategy.
But this is a terrible argument. First, whatever legitimate criticisms there are of the Obama-Biden economic rescue, by just about every available metric Trump inherited the good pre-coronavirus economic trends from the last presidency.

One irony here is Trump hoped to run his own “Morning in America” campaign. He has constantly claimed he took over a smoldering economic hellscape and magically transformed it into a spectacular economic juggernaut.

But it will now be harder to pull off this lie. He will likely be held accountable for what he’s presiding over, as presidents often are. Voters may unfavorably compare the catastrophic status quo with the end of the Obama years.

Meanwhile, Trump has entirely squandered whatever “economic populist” cred he once enjoyed — making this reboot harder to pull off.

Trump’s 2016 argument was that he was not a Paul Ryan-style Republican. Trump would safeguard social insurance for the elderly, secure massive infrastructure spending and take on economic elites. He would use government power to protect people — or at least his voters — who were vulnerable to market forces, in a way other Republicans would not.

But he tossed all that aside. Trump’s massive corporate tax cuts were a boon to the rich and did little for workers. He badly undermined worker protections and tried to roll back the Affordable Care Act’s protections for millions. Trump and Republicans are still trying to destroy those protections amid a pandemic.

Indeed, Trump’s answer to the current catastrophe looks something like what Jedediah Britton-Purdy terms “disaster nationalism.” It’s a fusion of neo-Social Darwinist relaxation of social distancing, putting ordinary Americans and workers at terrible risk (see the ongoing carnage in meatpacking plants) with more tax cuts, shredded regulations and ethno-nationalist scapegoating of immigrants.

By contrast, former vice president Joe Biden is campaigning for a large expansion of health-care protections, plus various worker-focused proposals such as beefed-up labor market regulations and a $15-per-hour minimum wage. He’s vowing much more hands-on federal management of our reopening.

This isn’t the end of the story. As some writers — see Ryan Cooper and Jamelle Bouie — have noted, the unprecedented scale and nature of the crisis invite a debate over a far more robust social democratic transformation than either party represents. We’ll see whether Biden can craft a big enough agenda and argument.

But one thing that’s clear is that Trump is in an awful position to wage this battle. He has thrown away the very qualities that (by his own lights) enabled him to outdo those other Republicans. And the very things he boasted of in his rant — tax cuts and deregulation — confirm this perfectly.


Comment:
Republican are eating their young and throwing Trump under the bus. Only die hard LOSER Trump supporters think 'merica is all rosy and "great".

More and more republicans think Joe Biden is a better "republican" than Trump.

The republican brand is dead.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 10:18 pm
@Baldimo,
Aren't you forgetting Flynn admitted guilt twice AND Trump sacked him for lying to Pence.

All I see is rampant cronyism and corruption in your government. Note that Flynn wisely didn't go for a jury trial and instead opted to have Barr judge him.

SMFH
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 10:36 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
All I see is rampant cronyism and corruption

In the UK you just have to look out the window.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 10:39 pm
@coldjoint,
NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS: EXPERTS QUESTION FLYNN DECISION
NYT
Quote:

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s decision to drop the criminal case against Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, even though he had twice pleaded guilty to lying to investigators, was extraordinary and had no obvious precedent, a range of criminal law specialists said on Thursday.
“I’ve been practicing for more time than I care to admit and I’ve never seen anything like this,” said Julie O’Sullivan, a former federal prosecutor who now teaches criminal law at Georgetown University.
The move is the latest in a series that the department, under Attorney General William P. Barr, has taken to undermine and dismantle the work of the investigators and prosecutors who scrutinized Russia’s 2016 election interference operation and its links to people associated with the Trump campaign.
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The case against Mr. Flynn for lying to the F.B.I. about his conversations with the Russian ambassador was brought by the office of the former special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. It had become a political cause for Mr. Trump and his supporters, and the president had signaled that he was considering a pardon once Mr. Flynn was sentenced. But Mr. Barr instead abruptly short-circuited the case.
On Thursday, Timothy Shea, the interim U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia, told the judge overseeing the case, Emmet G. Sullivan, that prosecutors were withdrawing the case. They were doing so, he said, because the department could not prove to a jury that Mr. Flynn’s admitted lies to the F.B.I. about his conversations with the ambassador were “material” ones.
The move essentially erases Mr. Flynn’s guilty pleas. Because he was never sentenced and the government is unwilling to pursue the matter further, the prosecution is virtually certain to end, although the judge must still decide whether to grant the department’s request to dismiss it “with prejudice,” meaning it could not be refiled in the future.
A range of former prosecutors struggled to point to any previous instance in which the Justice Department had abandoned its own case after obtaining a guilty plea. They portrayed the justification Mr. Shea pointed to — that it would be difficult to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the lies were material — as dubious.
“A pardon would have been a lot more honest,” said Samuel Buell, a former federal prosecutor who now teaches criminal law at Duke University.
The law regarding what counts as “material” is extremely forgiving to the government, Mr. Buell added. The idea is that law enforcement is permitted to pursue possible theories of criminality and to interview people without having firmly established that there was a crime first.
James G. McGovern, a defense lawyer at Hogan Lovells and a former federal prosecutor, said juries rarely bought a defendant’s argument that a lie did not involve a material fact.
“If you are arguing ‘materiality,’ you usually lose, because there is a tacit admission that what you said was untrue, so you lose the jury,” he said.
No career prosecutors signed the motion. Mr. Shea is a former close aide to Mr. Barr. In January, Mr. Barr installed him as the top prosecutor in the district that encompasses the nation’s capital after maneuvering out the Senate-confirmed former top prosecutor in that office, Jessie K. Liu.
Soon after, in an extraordinary move, four prosecutors in the office abruptly quit the case against Mr. Trump’s longtime friend Roger J. Stone Jr. They did so after senior Justice Department officials intervened to recommend a more lenient prison term than standard sentencing guidelines called for in the crimes Mr. Stone was convicted of committing — including witness intimidation and perjury — to conceal Trump campaign interactions with WikiLeaks.
It soon emerged that Mr. Barr had also appointed an outside prosecutor, Jeff Jensen, the U.S. attorney in St. Louis, to review the Flynn case files. The department then began turning over F.B.I. documents showing internal deliberations about questioning Mr. Flynn, like what warnings to give — even though such files are usually not provided to the defense.
Mr. Flynn’s defense team has mined such files for ammunition to portray the F.B.I. as running amok in its decision to question Mr. Flynn in the first place. The questioning focused on his conversations during the transition after the 2016 election with the Russian ambassador about the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions on Russia for its interference in the American election.
The F.B.I. had already concluded that there was no evidence that Mr. Flynn, a former Trump campaign adviser, had personally conspired with Russia about the election, and it had decided to close out the counterintelligence investigation into him. Then questions arose about whether and why Mr. Flynn had lied to administration colleagues like Vice President Mike Pence about his conversations with the ambassador.
Because the counterintelligence investigation was still open, the bureau used it as a basis to question Mr. Flynn about the conversations and decided not to warn him at its onset that it would be a crime to lie. Notes from Bill Priestap, then the head of the F.B.I.’s counterintelligence division, show that he wrote at one point about the planned interview: “What’s our goal? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?”
Mr. Barr has also appointed another outside prosecutor, John H. Durham, the U.S. attorney in Connecticut, to reinvestigate the Russia investigators even though the department’s independent inspector general was already scrutinizing them.
And his department has intervened in a range of other ways, from seeking more comfortable prison accommodations last year for Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, to abruptly dropping charges in March against two Russian shell companies that were about to go to trial for financing schemes to interfere in the 2016 election using social media.
Mr. Barr has let it be known that he does not think the F.B.I. ever had an adequate legal basis to open its Russia investigation in the first place, contrary to the judgment of the Justice Department’s inspector general.
In an interview on CBS News on Thursday, Mr. Barr defended the dropping of the charges against Mr. Flynn on the grounds that the F.B.I. “did not have a basis for a counterintelligence investigation against Flynn at that stage.”
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Anne Milgram, a former federal prosecutor and former New Jersey attorney general who teaches criminal law at New York University, defended the F.B.I.’s decision to question Mr. Flynn in January 2017. She said that much was still a mystery about the Russian election interference operation at the time and that Mr. Flynn’s lying to the vice president about his postelection interactions with a high-ranking Russian raised new questions.
But, she argued, the more important frame for assessing the dropping of the case was to recognize how it fit into the larger pattern of the Barr-era department “undercutting the law enforcement officials and prosecutors who investigated the 2016 election and its aftermath,” which she likened to “eating the Justice Department from the inside out.”

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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 10:52 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS: EXPERTS QUESTION FLYNN DECISION

Laughing Laughing Laughing
The expert is the AG. He has proven the case was bullshit. With the FBI's own documents. Your experts are hacks cashing in on hating Trump. Not even the NYT can spin out of this. There are more documents coming out.

They borrowed a page from Stalin, got the man and created the crime, like they did with Trump and Russia. Today they failed at both.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 10:57 pm
@MontereyJack,
The ultimate politicization of trump lackey. justice in the trumpl administration. bill barr fulfills his promise that trump would not be liable for anything immoral illegal or wildly unethical he does while in office, just snother crook barr and the now thoroughly corrupted DOJ let walk because he was a lying trump lackey. Trump and the whole servile gop puppet government MUSTBE VOTED OUT IN NOVEMBER.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 7 May, 2020 11:00 pm
@coldjoint,
Total horse pucky. Legal experts are appalled.
 

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