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An opinion from someone who thought Reagan a piece of crap

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2004 09:31 am
But, he's not listening and his position on Iran Contra is untenable.
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2004 09:48 am
Quote:
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2004 09:48 am
The worm may be turning (a bit) on all the public praise of Reagan. It's clear, though, that the Bush team will invoke Reagan's name every chance they get to make their guy look good between now and November.

And that, when all is said and done, is of more importance than the BS we read and hear this week about how Reagan was one of our greatest presidents and should have his face on the $10 bill and his head on Mt. Rushmore. How about renaming a state after him, too?
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2004 09:51 am
The United States of Reagan
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2004 10:12 am
Cheney once condemned RayGun's leadership as immoral and directionless.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2004 10:15 am
"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take
care of itself."

"I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of
national emergency - even if I'm in a Cabinet meeting."

"It's true hard work never killed anybody, but I figure, why take
the chance?"

"Well, I learned a lot....I went down to (Latin America) to find
out from them and (learn) their views. You'd be surprised.
They're all individual countries"

"I don't know. I've never played a governor." ?asked by a
reporter in 1966 what kind of governor he would be

"Facts are stupid things." ?at the 1988 Republican National
Convention, attempting to quote John Adams, who said, "Facts are
stubborn things"

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles."

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored
under a desk."

"They say hard work never hurt anybody, but I figure why take the
chance."

"There is absolutely no circumstance whatever under which I would
accept that spot. Even if they tied and gagged me, I would find a
way to signal by wiggling my ears." ?on possibly being offered
the vice presidency in 1968

"The state of California has no business subsidizing intellectual
curiosity." ?responding to student protests on college campuses
during his tenure as California governor

"Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution stems from
hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in
setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made
sources."

"We are trying to get unemployment to go up, and I think we're
going to succeed."

"As a matter of fact, Nancy never had any interest in politics or
anything else when we got married."

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been
born."

"What we have found in this country, and maybe we're more aware
of it now, is one problem that we've had, even in the best of
times, and that is the people who are sleeping on the grates, the
homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice."

"How are you, Mr. Mayor? I'm glad to meet you. How are things in
your city?" ?greeting Samual Pierce, his secretary of Housing and
Urban Development, during a White House reception for mayors

"My name is Ronald Reagan. What's yours?" ?introducing himself
after delivering a prep school commencement address. The
individual responded, "I'm your son, Mike," to which Reagan
replied, "Oh, I didn't recognize you."

"Politics is just like show business. You have a hell of an
opening, you coast for awhile, you have a hell of a closing."

"What does an actor know about politics?" ?criticizing Ed Asner
for opposing American foreign policy

"What makes him think a middle-aged actor, who's played with a
chimp, could have a future in politics?" -on Clint Eastwood's bid
to become mayor of Carmel

"How can a president not be an actor?" -when asked "How could an
actor become president?'
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kitchenpete
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2004 11:03 am
Bookmarking.

It's probably only the Brits that remember Princess Diana being called "Princess David" by Ronnie...unreal - it's not as if she were unknown!

Never been a fan of either Ronnie or Maggie - the USSR collapse was inevitable, regardless of their presence.

KP
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2004 11:31 am
Ahhhh... I can just sit back and bask in all the love and adoration for Reagan emmenating from A2K
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Jim
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2004 09:09 pm
Thank you for your kind words Sozobe. I don't always agree with everyone on A2K, but I do try to be civil.
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2004 10:05 am
Quote:
REAGAN'S SHAMEFUL LEGACY

Tue Jun 8, 8:02 PM ET

By Ted Rall

Mourn for Us, Not the Proto-Bush

NEW YORK--For a few weeks, it became routine. I heard them dragging luggage down the hall. They paused in a little lounge near the dormitory elevator to bid farewell to people they'd met during their single semester. Those I knew knocked on my door. "What are you going to do?" I asked. "Where are you going to go?" A shrug. They were eighteen years old and their bright futures had evaporated. They had worked hard in junior and senior high school, harder than most, but none of that mattered now. President Reagan, explained the form letters from the Office of Financial Aid, had slashed the federal education budget. Which is why the same grim tableau of shattered hopes and dreams was playing itself out across the country. Colleges and universities were evicting their best and brightest, straight A students, stripping them of scholarships. Some transferred to less-expensive community colleges; others dropped into the low-wage workforce. Now, nearly a quarter century later, they are still less financially secure and less educated than they should have been. Our nation is poorer for having denied them their potential.


They were by no means the hardest-hit victims of Reaganism. Reagan's quack economists trashed scholarships and turned welfare recipients into homeless people and refused to do anything about the AIDS (news - web sites) epidemic, all so they could fund extravagant tax cuts for a tiny sliver of the ultra rich. Their supply-side sales pitch, that the rich would buy so much stuff from everybody else that the economy would boom and government coffers would fill up, never panned out. The Reagan boom lasted just three years and created only low-wage jobs. When the '80s were over, we were buried in the depths of recession and a trillion bucks in debt. Poverty grew, cities decayed, crime rose. It took over a decade to dig out.


Reagan's defenders, people who don't know the facts or choose to ignore them, claim that "everybody" admired Reagan's ebullient personality even if some disagreed with his politics. That, like the Gipper's tall tales about welfare queens and "homeless by choice" urban campers, is a lie. Millions of Americans cringed at Reagan's simplistic rhetoric, were terrified that his anti-Soviet "evil empire" posturing would provoke World War III, and thought that his appeal to selfishness and greed--a bastardized blend of Adam Smith and Ayn Rand--brought out the worst in us. We rolled our eyes when Reagan quipped "There you go again"; what the hell did that mean? Given that he made flying a living hell (by firing the air traffic controllers and regulating the airlines), I'm not the only one who refuses to call Washington National Airport by its new name. His clown-like dyed hair and rouged cheeks disgusted us. We hated him during the dark days he made so hideous, and, with all due respect, we hate him still.


Not everybody buys the myth that Reagan won the Cold War by demanding that Mikhail Gorbachev "tear down this [Berlin] wall" or bankrupting the Soviet Union via the arms race--Zbigniew Brezinski's plot to "draw the Russians into the Afghan trap" by funding the mujahedeen, Chernobyl and covert U.S. schemes to destabilize the ruble had more to do with the end of the USSR. Gangsterism replaced the ossified cult of the state, millions of Russians were reduced to paupers, revived radical Islamism in Central Asia and eliminated our sole major ideological and military rival. That increased our arrogance and insularity, left us in charge of the world and to blame for everything, paving the road to 9/11. (Reagan even armed the attacks' future perpetrators.) Anyway, the Cold War isn't over. In which direction do you think those old ICBMs point today?


The lionizers are correct about one thing: Reagan was one of our most influential presidents since FDR, whose New Deal safety net he carefully disassembled. He pioneered policies now being implemented by George W. Bush: trickle down economics, corporate deregulation, radicalizing the courts, slithering around inconvenient laws and international treaties. On the domestic front, he unraveled America's century-old social contract. What the poor needed was a kick in the ass, not a handout, said a president whose wealthy patrons bought him a house and put clothes on his wife Nancy. National parks were to be exploited for timber and oil, not protected. The federal tax code, originally conceived to redistribute wealth from top to bottom, was "reformed" to eradicate social justice.


Bush also models his approach to foreign policy on that of the original Teflon President. Reagan elevated unjustifiable military action to an art. In 1983, anxious to look tough after cutting and running from Lebanon, Reagan sent marines to topple the Marxist government of Grenada. His pretext for invading this Caribbean island was the urgent plight of 500 medical students supposedly besieged by rampaging mobs. But when they arrived at the airport in the United States, the quizzical young men and women told reporters they were confused, never having felt endangered or seen any unrest.


In a bizarre 1985 effort to free a few American hostages being held in Lebanon, Reagan authorized the sale of 107 tons of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles to Iran, at the time one of our staunchest enemies, with the proceeds to be used to fund rightist death squads in Nicaragua--something Congress had expressly forbidden him to do. Evidence strongly suggests that Iran-Contra was at least his second dirty deal with Islamic Iran, the first being the October Surprise, which delayed the release of the Iranian embassy hostages until after the 1980 election was over. Ronald Reagan (news - web sites) eventually admitted to "trading arms for hostages," yet avoided prosecution for treason and the death penalty.


Reagan, like Bush 43, technically served in the military yet studiously avoided combat. Both men were physically robust, intellectually inadequate, poorly traveled former governors renowned for stabbing friends on the back--Reagan when he named names during McCarthyism. Both appointed former generals as secretaries of state and enemies of the environment to head the Department of the Interior. Both refused to read detailed briefings, worked short hours, behaved erratically in public appearances, ducked questions about sordid pasts, and relied on Christianist (the radical right equivalent of Islamist) depictions of foes as "evil" and America, invariably as embodied by himself and the Republicans, as "good." Based on intelligence as phony as that floated to justify the war against Iraq (news - web sites), Reagan bombed Muslim Libya.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2004 12:11 pm
Billw,

Reagan's Legacy:

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040608/horsey.jpg
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2004 12:41 pm
Puffery
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 11:11 am
http://www.buzzflash.com/anderson/04/06/and04025.html
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 11:25 am
Hmmm...speaking of puffery...
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 07:07 pm
Am I alone in thinking that Dubya has latched on to this Reagan funeral thing and is using the opportunity to boost his feel good ratings in the polls?
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 06:48 am
If there is one thing that Bush and his cabal know it is how to play the American electorate.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 06:59 am
Quote:
"My father had decades of experience in public life. He was president of his union, he campaigned for presidential candidates, he served two terms as governor of California -- and that was not a ceremonial office as it is in Texas. And he had already run for president, against Ford in '76, nearly unseating the sitting president in his own party. He knew where he was coming from, he had spent years thinking and speaking about his views. He didn't have to ask Dick Cheney what he thought.

"Sure, he wasn't a technocrat like Clinton. But my father was a man -- that's the difference between him and Bush. To paraphrase Jack Palance, my father crapped bigger ones than George Bush."


Ron Reagan Jr.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 07:02 am
PDiddie


That wasn't an actual quote was it?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 07:08 am
Indeed it was, au.

Click on the link.
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Eva
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 10:43 am
That's GREAT! And sooooo true.

I'd rather not register on another site. Can you cut & paste the text here, PD? I'd love to read the whole thing.
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