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Where in the world is Osama Santiago??

 
 
RfromP
 
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Reply Wed 8 Dec, 2004 05:34 pm
What do we do when/if he's caught? If he's incarcerated, we get the requisite release him or we will do this & that from his supporters. If caught and executed by the U.S. he becomes a martyr. The violence isn't going to stop either way. If we hunt him down and kill him as promised the message of we won't tolerate terrorists and will kill you is clear. The longer he evades capture the more other Bin Ladens will feel they can likely get away with something. Somebody, the CIA, Military, the Administration, whoever, needs to get its ass in gear and get this guy pronto.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2004 07:50 pm
RfP


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It's kind of one of those exaggerations."

But when the president was asked about bin Laden in March 2002, he said precisely what Kerry had quoted the president as saying.

"I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him," said Bush.
source
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2004 07:51 pm
Yup.
Interesting things were said in those debates.
Sometimes got to wonder if anyone actually listened, though.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2004 08:04 pm
Why isn't he concerned? Because his 'presidency' has been about living out the neo-con wet dream of extending and USING US military might around the globe, starting with Iraq.

Two years after Sept 11, polls still showed that 70% of US citizens believed that Saddam Hussein was 'behind' the attacks. Even Bush didn't believe that by then ("We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th" - 17/9/03) but the blizzard of bu11shit spread by these people had already pushed the country to invade Iraq.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2004 08:37 pm
Mr Stillwater wrote:
Why isn't he concerned? Because his 'presidency' has been about living out the neo-con wet dream of extending and USING US military might around the globe, starting with Iraq.

Two years after Sept 11, polls still showed that 70% of US citizens believed that Saddam Hussein was 'behind' the attacks. Even Bush didn't believe that by then ("We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th" - 17/9/03) but the blizzard of bu11shit spread by these people had already pushed the country to invade Iraq.


Yeah, I remember when Bush called me and said "McG! Whaddya think? Saddam behind this or not?" Naturally I said "No, sir, but he's an a-hole and needs to go because he funds terrorism and has WMD's!"

I can't really speak for the rest of the population and what they said when Bush called them.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2004 08:47 pm
Funny, I would have said, "What are we doing about those Saudis Mr President? Almost all of the hijackers were Saudis, they were funded by Saudis, Osama bin Laden IS a Saudi, the nation is a mediavel regime that has no human rights and openly tortures and illegally executes its citizens, supports terrorists at home and abroad and uses its influence throughout the Middle East to extend Wahabbism, a virulent and anti-Western form of Islam.

"Maybe, just maybe, Mr President, these f*ckers could be a pretty hot target too! Oh, your father WORKS for them and told you to leave them alone. Fair enough".
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australia
 
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Reply Sat 11 Dec, 2004 10:41 pm
Osama is rumoured to be in Berlin. He wouldn't even be noticed.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2004 08:44 am
WEARY TALIBAN COMING IN FROM THE COLD

Some Afghan fighters talk of being duped by bin Laden and pledge to work for his capture.
By Gretchen Peters and Aleem Agha

KANDAHAR PROVINCE AND KABUL, AFGHANISTAN - Abdul Rahman Akhund has been battling US and Afghan government troops for three long, hard years. He misses raising his kids among the quiet pomegranate orchards he used to tend at home.

With another frigid winter setting in, and a new US offensive being launched this week, this weary Taliban fighter says he's ready to come in from the cold.


"If the government will let us peacefully return to our villages and our children, we will come," he says. "We are tired living on the run in these snowy mountains."

His fellow tribesman, Sarwar Akhund, goes one step further: Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar and terror kingpin Osama bin Laden, he charges, tricked followers like him into believing they were fighting a holy war against infidels, "when really they just wanted to consolidate their own seats of power." If allowed back into society, he pledges to "do whatever I can" to help kill or capture the fugitive leaders.

The two soldiers expressed views that intelligence circles across southern Afghanistan have been hearing for months. Many officials, military strategists, and diplomats here are increasingly optimistic that the Taliban are largely a spent force, made up in great parts by disillusioned, worn out foot soldiers like the Akhund tribesmen.

That's why President Hamid Karzai plans a general amnesty for Taliban rank and file as one of his first major initiatives since winning national elections in October and being inaugurated last week.
Mr. Karzai and his American backers hope the move will not only bring peace to great swaths of Afghanistan, but may even lead to the seizure of the high-value terror targets US troops are hunting across the country's south and east.

Outreach to 'moderates'

Senior Afghan officials have been quietly preparing the groundwork for months, meeting with representatives of what they consider the "moderate" Taliban, some of whom may even be allowed to run in parliamentary elections planned for the coming spring.

"People associated with the former Communist regime are back. So are former mujahideen," says Jawed Ludin, a spokesman at the presidential palace. "Therefore, nothing should really stop the Taliban rank and file from taking part in the national life of the country."

Karzai is also preparing a list of names - said to number between 150 and 200 top and mid-level Taliban leaders and hardened criminals - who will not be accepted under the general pardon.

"Those folks won't be let back in," says Col. Dave Lamm, the chief of staff for the Combined Forces Afghanistan. "We will hunt them down and bring them to justice, or we will kill them."

That group would include men like Maulvi Haider, a battle-hardened Taliban commander who agreed to a rare interview for this story along a dusty mountaintop corridor, watched from above by turbaned snipers.

"Amir Ul Momineen [Mullah Omar) is our supreme leader and we will fight for him until the last drop of our blood is shed," he growls, his eyes as hard as the rugged peaks that hide him. "Hamid Karzai is a puppet ... of the Americans and he will do whatever they say just to please them."

According to Commander Haider, the Taliban remain strong and united in their holy war against the "Jews and infidels."

"We are not ready for talks with NATO forces or the Americans," he says. "We want a pure Islamic system in Afghanistan and we will fight for it."

But to hear Mr. Rahman and Mr. Sarwar tell it, the war is less about ideology and religion than it is a battle between strongmen over control of land and trading routes.

Conscripted by the Taliban, they say they lost their orchards when warlords loyal to the Karzai government moved in. They faced going to jail when the new regime took power or staying on the run with the Taliban.

They say they are heartened by efforts to release Taliban prisoners deemed safe to society and trust that Karzai, also an ethnic Pashtun, is sincere.

But members of the mainly Tajik Northern Alliance, which Karzai roundly defeated in the elections, have voiced outrage. They argue that most moderate Taliban defected when the hard-line regime fell in late 2001, and point out that several former detainees have returned to fight with the Taliban since winning release in the amnesty's early stages.

Even some members of Karzai's government argue there should be an independent reconciliation panel, rather than the handful of mainly Pashtun security officials who currently determine who goes free. "I am not opposed to the plan in principle, but the way this is being done is worrisome," says a senior Afghan official who quietly disagrees with the current program. "Why do you think the Northern Alliance is refusing to disarm?"

Most critics see the silent hand of Pakistan, which long supported the Taliban regime and wants to see friendly faces in the new Afghan parliamentary government.

They say the fact that the Taliban pulled off no major attacks during the elections is more a sign that Pakistan "can turn the tap on and off at will," as one official says, than an indication, as suggested by amnesty supporters, that the Taliban is on its last legs.

But one Western diplomat says the amnesty program hinges largely on a promise by Pakistan to turn over hard-core Taliban fugitives if some moderates are allowed to go free, perhaps even to run for parliament. Many senior Taliban are believed to live in the western Pakistani city of Quetta and the tribal regions around it.

A risky olive branch

Whatever the outcome, many believe offering the Taliban an olive branch is a risk for Afghanistan's first-ever elected leader, one that could either inflame the tense ethnic divide between Tajiks and Pashtuns or draw thousands of low-level fighters out from the war on terror.

"If Karzai announces an amnesty, he will be very successful, and if he doesn't, we will carry on what we are doing now," says Sarwar, his black Taliban turban flapping in the wind. "Then it will be very difficult for him to rule this country."

Ms. Peters reported from Kabul. Mr. Agha reported from Kandahar Province.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 05:00 pm
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Bin Laden praises Saudi attack

December 18, 2004
WASHINGTON: A US intelligence analysis has determined with "high confidence" that an audio tape posted on the internet contains the voice of al-Qa'ida leader Osama bin Laden.

It was the first time that a bin Laden statement had been posted directly on the internet first, rather than being aired on Arab television, an anonymous US intelligence official said.

On the audio tape, which emerged on Thursday night, bin Laden praised gunmen who attacked a US consulate in Saudi Arabia on December 6 and warned Saudi rulers they could be toppled like the Shah of Iran.

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Can't keep a good man down.......





.............and you just can't shut up some religious nutjob either.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 05:09 pm
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In Washington, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said the voice on the recording "appears to be" that of bin Laden. "He's a criminal, he's a terrorist, he's a murderer, and we're going to continue to hunt for him," Powell said.
source


Earth to Colin; they haven't/can't/won't/shan't even look for him. You think that your replacement is gonna give a stuff about some raghead when the new game's in North Korea?
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ForeverYoung
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 08:09 am
~~~~ shameless attempt to receive more views on my 'Humor' topic entitled "Memo From Osama" ~~~~ Twisted Evil
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 05:05 pm
ForeverYoung wrote:
~~~~ shameless attempt to receive more views on my 'Humor' topic entitled "Memo From Osama" ~~~~ Twisted Evil


Damn! Copyright infringement!!
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 06:29 pm
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When asked why the administration had so far failed to locate Osama Bin Laden, more than three years after the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, the president responded, "Because he's hiding."

source

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40649000/jpg/_40649947_bush-afp-203body.jpg
"Just like this invisible basket-ball,
a hidden person can't be seen".
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 06:57 pm
Stilly - you just couldn't make up something like that.


If a kid said that to his mom, he'd get smacked and told he was being a smart-ass.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 06:19 pm
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U.S.: Bin Laden Could Be in Afghanistan
January 10, 2005, 7:22 PM EST


KABUL, Afghanistan -- Osama bin Laden and other militant leaders could be hiding in eastern Afghanistan, the commander of U.S. forces along a key stretch of the Pakistani border told The Associated Press on Monday.

Col. Gary Cheek, who controls U.S. forces in 16 Afghan provinces, also said Taliban leaders appear to be losing control of a stubborn insurgency, three years after their ouster for harboring the al-Qaida leader.

source

As Julie Andrews famously sang:

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'Which brings us back to Do!'




Interestingly enough one person, whose existence and livelihood depend on the continued presence of the US in the country is sure....

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American generals and senior diplomats have said recently they have no firm intelligence of where bin Laden is hiding. However, Karzai said last month that bin Laden was "definitely" still in the region.



Can't seem to locate the biggest crop of opium under cultivation in the world in the country either. Very odd.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 11:53 am
It's almost as if... they don't intend to!

Amazing!

Cycloptichorn
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 12:29 am
Latest in. Bush Administration pulling out all stops here......


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US places "most wanted' ad for bin Laden in Pakistan paperPESHAWAR, Pakistan - The United States placed a newspaper advertisement Friday offering rewards of millions of dollars for information leading to the arrest of Osama bin Laden and other Al Qaeda kingpins.

The half-page ad in the Urdu daily Mashriq, published in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, near the Afghan border, puts a 25-million-dollar price on the head of the 9/11 mastermind and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 12:30 am
Next?
http://www.code7r.org/Bintoons/images/missing.jpg
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 12:37 am
whew, what a relief. and i was worried that they are not doing enough!
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 08:49 am
He's dead, Jim...
Osama's putrefied flesh is buried under the rocks of Tora Bora - has been since we bombed the crap out if.
He's dead.
The bad videos and audio tapes have been made by the CIA.
In other words, for the joy of you all, it's a US government plot to keep us afraid!!! :wink:

Osama has passed on! He is no more! He has ceased to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker! He's a stiff! Bereft of life, He rests in hell! His metabolic processes are now history! He's kicked the bucket, he's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!
(apologies to Monty)
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