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What should Uruguay do with its Nazi eagle?

 
 
Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 05:43 am
From the BBC.

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World War Two was never as close to land in South America as on 13 December 1939, when three Royal Navy cruisers challenged Germany's Admiral Graf Spee off the coast of Uruguay.

A battle still goes on 75 years later.

This time, however, the matter in dispute is not the control of the South Atlantic but rather a controversial four-tonne bronze eagle that could fetch millions of dollars at auction.

The spread eagle with a swastika under its talons was recovered off the coast of Uruguay in 2006 by private investors.

It was part of the stern of the Graf Spee, which was once one of the most modern battleships in the world.

The cruiser was scuttled by its captain in Montevideo Bay soon after the Battle of the River Plate. The captain had feared that if captured, the British would steal information about its state-of-the-art technology.

The bronze eagle, which was one of the most remarkable symbols of the German Third Reich, now rests at a warehouse guarded by the Uruguayan navy.

After a long battle in court, the Supreme Court ruled that the Uruguayan state was the piece's rightful owner, but it also decided that the private salvage company should get 50% of the profits if the eagle was sold.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-30471063
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 07:11 am
One thing Uruguay should be very careful about is being to sure to pick this eagle up carefully. They want to be sure to lift with their knees and not their back.

Personally I think it would make a nice premium for a cereal package.
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 07:32 am
Four tonnes.....blimey!

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/79722000/jpg/_79722712_graf_spee_aguila_950.jpg

I wonder what else is down there?


http://www.3dhistory.de/elemente/bilder/gs/wrek13_019.jpg
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 07:48 am
@izzythepush,
Interesting that the Uruguay court ruled it was Uruguay's property. Salvage laws are an area of unsettled law, but it seems like Germany would have a stronger claim than Uruguay and the salvagers would have the strongest claim.

Good reading on salvage law if you are interested: http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2713&context=wmlr

Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 08:00 am
@engineer,
I haven't read your link yet, but from memory (film and book) didn't they scupper it just inside territorial waters? Any further out and it would have been fired upon by the Royal Navy, I think.

I'll now read your link, but my thought at this moment is that if it was in territorial waters, then Uruguay's permission should have been sought before any salvage work carried out. Surely at that point any possession and/or split of profits would have been agreed.

I bet you that the enigma machine etc. was taken off the ship before the scuttling.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 10:51 am
@engineer,
I think the Uruguayans will keep it and stick it in a museum. They only have to give the salvagers any money if they sell it. If they sell it, it will be a long time in the future when the salvage crew are long dead.

Or I could be wrong, they'll sell it and offer the salvage team x amount of money (less than half) hoping they'll accept it and avoid another lengthy court battle with appeal after appeal.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 11:11 am
@izzythepush,
You're probably right there. I can see a big exhibition in the dock area somewhere. It would make a pretty good tourist tickbox.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 11:13 am
@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswas wrote:

You're probably right there.


That makes a nice change.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 11:17 am
@izzythepush,
I'm amazed that they don't have the wreck on the tourist diver's itinerary.

Maybe they do?

If not, maybe there are strong currents round that area. I know I'd pay a bob or two to dive that.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 11:23 am
@Lordyaswas,
I just googled "Dive Graf Spee," at first all that came up were news articles so I clicked on shopping. All I got was the opportunity to purchase this.
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5pFYjf702V_xcA_nWZrVUrQ35jf-_8Lq6gFbRR3W-AYNn1q6U&usqp=CAY

So there must be some reason it's not on the divers itinerary. I don't know anything about diving, so all I can do is speculate.
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