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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

That is an interesting question. Is there anyone who agrees with you about evolution (or whatever contentious topic) who you would consider a troll?

There certainly are some trolls on the Internet, but when I see anyone I consider a troll...I simply ignore them. I do not put them on IGNORE...for the most part, I just do not engage them.

In any case, I have no essential disagreement with what most of these folk say about "evolution." It appears much more likely than not that we humans got to where we are now through a process which science is uncovering and which science calls evolution.

If YOU disagree with that, tell me why and I will post my reasons for why I hold that opinion. I will do it respectfully and reasonably.

I am NOT a troll, Max.

As for "intelligent design"...here is my take: If there is the possibility of a GOD...there is the possibility of "intelligent design."

I do not know if there is a GOD...therefore I do not know if there is "intelligent design." If there is, the "intelligent design" apparently IS the process which science is uncovering and which science calls evolution.

If YOU disagree with that, tell me why and I will post my reasons for why I hold that opinion.

I most assuredly am NOT a troll.

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@Setanta,

The thing about the rape threads is that they are hot threads. There are routinely news articles that twist the debate - campus rape reporting, new government statistics, magazines recanting articles about rape accusations, allegations that local officials protected star football players, gang rapes in India or of women reporters, etc. The evolution threads may be long lived but there is not very much new in them. Occasionally a school board will do something silly or a lawsuit will spark some conversation but for the most part, the sides are pretty static and the news is pretty slow.

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@Frank Apisa,

I am sorry Frank, I was asking a generic question. I wasn't implying that you are a troll. On second reading I can see that you might think I was doing this. But I wasn't.

I respect you Frank. I can have a reasoned discussion with you even when we disagree, and I intend that as high compliment.
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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

I am sorry Frank, I was asking a generic question. I wasn't implying that you are a troll. On second reading I can see that you might think I was doing this. But I wasn't.

I respect you Frank. I can have a reasoned discussion with you even when we disagree, and I intend that as high compliment.
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Thank you, Max. We've bumped heads over the years, but I've always enjoyed our discussions. I respect you also.

In any case, I was not stressing that I am NOT a troll for your sake. There are others here who have strongly suggested that I am. I am NOT...and although some of them claim to be ignoring me...I wanted to put it out there because I suspect they are not ignoring me at all.

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@Frank Apisa,

Assuming that yours is not a stick on beard Frank, I can hereby declare that you are not a troll, as they have no facial hair.

They also hate playing golf.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

I think I should get a quicker Ignore finger, too. They have nothing constructive to add and just revel in all the negativity they incite.

thumbing them down is more useful to the community - more work, but more useful

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

One of these days I'll lose it and down thumb all the feeders for a month. A lot of those I like and agree with, but they are inveterate feeders.

I do that with the posters who quote entire posts they are responding to, as well as the feeders. Don't need to see the begging for attention posts twice Rolling Eyes

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I am curious about how consistent the definition of "Troll" is. If we asked people to come up with the people who are trolls on Able2Know, would most people have the same few culprits on their list? Or, is the list of Trolls completely subjective?

My hypothesis is that you could identify a few sub-groups on Able2Know. Each sub-group would be pretty consistent with their own defined Trolls, but one sub-group would have a completely different list than another.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

The thing about the rape threads is that they are hot threads. There are routinely news articles that twist the debate - campus rape reporting, new government statistics, magazines recanting articles about rape accusations, allegations that local officials protected star football players, gang rapes in India or of women reporters, etc. The evolution threads may be long lived but there is not very much new in them. Occasionally a school board will do something silly or a lawsuit will spark some conversation but for the most part, the sides are pretty static and the news is pretty slow.

It is more fundamental than that, over the last 30 years rape has been redefined, and how sexual assault is handled by the justice system has changed a great deal. We also have intense government message making on the subject, we have people pushing for continued changes in definitions and process till they get the results that they want (read number of men hit that they want), we have respected social commentators saying that the new government mandated efforts against sexual assault on campus fundamentally strip men of due process rights and imposes penalties on standards of proof that are outrageous yadda yadda yadda.

We also society wide have over the years accepted the changes on the argument "we have to do it for the victims" and that is breaking down now. Feminism has long driven sex law, but feminism is primarily an of shoot of liberalism, it is only recently that conservatives have been willing to speak up against these efforts on the behalf of victims, it is only recently that they have decided that as risky as is it to argue against the feminists (RAPE APOLOGIST!) that they have to, because this train is off the rails.

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@hawkeye10,

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We also society wide have over the years accepted the changes on the argument "we have to do it for the victims" and that is breaking down now. Feminism has long driven sex law, but feminism is primarily an of shoot of liberalism,

I disagree with you Hawkeye. I am a liberal. I am not a feminist.

The parts of feminism that I object to most come from Puritanism. It is the desire to regulate sex. This is why there is cultural pressure to regulate pornography and sexuality in media. These are traditionally conservative positions-- only the reasons given for these restrictions have changed.

There have been several times that feminism has come into direct conflict with other civil rights movements (which are key parts of liberalism).

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@maxdancona,

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I disagree with you Hawkeye. I am a liberal.

Disagree about what?

Feminism no longer contains conservative voices, they were pushed out. It was not always an arm of Liberalism, but it is now, which is the primary reason it has gone wrong and is the primary reason it is about to get the knife. If you dont know this it can only be because you have not paid attention. The lack of interest in child care programs should have been your first clue.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

It is more fundamental than that, over the last 30 years rape has been redefined, and how sexual assault is handled by the justice system has changed a great deal.

I think this section of your post hits it right on the head. It is a controversial subject because it is fundamentally changing so you have a pro-change and an anti-change battle that rages on. The evolution debate really isn't changing. Someone debating evolution thirty years ago could step right into the argument today.

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@engineer,

Right, and the sexual assault debate is actually changing minds, or people are for the very first time considering the matter. It has only been recently the the collective has even been willing to question the story that the elites are selling on this subject, and everybody can now see that something is wrong with young men which is a huge new problem.....put 2 and 2 together and we have an explosion of interest.

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I guess some people actually care about being "thumbed up" or being "thumbed down."

Here on A2K...the thumbing up and thumbing down often says more about the person doing the thumbing than about the person being thumbed.

Anyone paying too much attention to that nonsense probably has self-esteem problems.

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@engineer,

I agree with that take. Mostly, i was motivated by the trolls showing up to rant about evolution in particular and science in general. As i've already pointed out, i don't consider someone a troll just because i don't agree with their point of view--although some people do seem to take that tack. Gunga Dim brings evolution up all the time, but he's no troll. Herald has what i consider truly goofy ideas, but he stays in his thread by and large, and i don't see him as a troll.

I really have little interest is this recent uproar about rape, and i could not say if anyone in those threads is a a troll. Once again, someone who is obsessed, and who wants to dominate the conversation is the classic troll. I see there being two pretty obvious trolls in the evolution wars.

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@Setanta,

The only exception I think is if you "start" the said thread. Naturally you are going to play a bigger part within that thread if the subject at hand is of interest to you and so, you created it for discussion or simply to follow it.

I find A2K interesting where Trolling is concerned but also, the Primary School antics often used which isn't trolling, rather childish.

Still what would I know I'm up-side down.

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@FOUND SOUL,

There are some people who come into thread after thread...time after time...

...with the only thing in mind is to tell someone they are stupid, a moron, dumb, ignorant, and snotty.

Those kind of people truly are trolls...of the worse kind.

Others just come to share thoughts.

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@FOUND SOUL,

Does living in Oztralia make the blood rush to your head?

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@Frank Apisa,

My point exactly, I'm not interested in that type of behaviour it's childish, demeaning and a pointless waste of negative energy.

What's wrong with this World!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Smile

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@Setanta,

I've been told to try to hang from a Chandelier, imagine doing that up-side-down?

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