Most Heavy Drinkers Are Not Alcoholics, According To New Study

@FBM,

FBM wrote:

I'm an insomniac and I just sip a little soju until I get sleepy.

Try taking ZMA and L-Tryptophan on an empty stomach 20 minutes before going to bed. Now that does a body good. Zinc magnesium aspartate and amino acids.

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@chai2,

Magnesium has proven to be good
against cramps.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Yes and not to mention the toll on physical appearance.

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@Germlat,

You mean like this?

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Wow, this is a fart in Church after the minders for generations called everyone who drinks more than they want them too an alcoholic. Science is disputing their definitions.

It will not make any difference where the rubber meets the road, the minders will just change words, their efforts to control what you and I drink will not change.

Why anyone listens to these moralistic killjoys with a massive history of telling lies in their manipulation attempts IDK.

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@Banana Breath,

No, that's just having someone put really bad makeup on you and taking your picture under harsh lights.

This is what a real end stage alcoholic woman looks like.

Not as funny, huh?

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3017744.ece/alternates/s615/%C2%A3%C2%A3%C2%A3-Liver-disease-sufferer-Beverley-Pickorer.jpg

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@Banana Breath,

Banana Breath wrote:

You mean like this?

Sad....but most alcoholic men look at least this bad....it's not gender based.

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@Germlat,

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Sad....but most alcoholic men look at least this bad....it's not gender based.

Do you seriously think you know how much different people drink? You dont know much more about that then you know what positions they like for sex.

This thread has taken a very pious turn.

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@hawkeye10,

No one has said a word about how much specific people drink.

What has been said is that if you are alcoholic, your looks (not like this is the most important thing to me) will suffer. It's the result of the alcohol. Some people can drink copius amounts, other peoples systems get to the point it takes nothing to get them into a blackout.

My brother died when he was 34. He looked much worse than the woman in that bed. All his organs shut down. He didn't know who anyone was and was in quite a bit of pain. It's not a pretty thing.

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@chai2,

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My brother died when he was 34. He looked much worse than the woman in that bed

WOW, that is sad. It is almost criminal how the studies on controlling hard core alcoholics with LSD were shut down in the 1970's. They were showing a lot of promise.

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@hawkeye10,

Thanks for your being serious about it.

It was really off the charts. You would have expected he would have died of some type of accident, not necessarily a car wreck, even doing something in the home. He didn't even go because of alcohol poisoning. He just killed his insides.
I was 30 when he died, he was 4 years older. I had stopped drinking when I was 28 (I'm turning 56 next week), and if anything convinced me that alcoholism was genetic, or that I was one, that was it.

I don't think of him all that often, well you know, not every day type of thing. When I do though I think of such a wasted life.

One thing I do know is that no matter how you stop drinking, if you have a problem, you have to do the things that will make your life happier.
A lot of things will automatically get better, but you have to make changes too.

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

I'm curious if your second friend - the one who doesn't drink, but then binges - has any Amerindian or Irish ancestry. Both groups have been found to have an increased risk for alcohol intolerance leading to binging and to alcoholism. I've know a few really angry drunks, and drinkers who are not typically drinkers unless they have one and then it's all over until the cops arrive.

Both of them are American expats. The second is of French ancestry. Or at least his family name is. He doesn't get angry or violent or anything. He just starts eating cheese and surrendering to everybody.

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@chai2,

chai2 wrote:

FBM wrote:

I'm an insomniac and I just sip a little soju until I get sleepy.

Try taking ZMA and L-Tryptophan on an empty stomach 20 minutes before going to bed. Now that does a body good. Zinc magnesium aspartate and amino acids.

Good idea. Not sure if or where I could find them over here, but I know of a large drugstore where I can ask. If nothing else, I could order it online, I suppose. Gracias. I've also been thinking about melatonin.

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@FBM,

btw, the reason you take the magnesium in the ZMA capsules is to avoid the common socially unacceptable effects of the mag. Remember, empty stomach.

FYI, if you take iron, make sure it's chelated or you're wasting your money. In addition, a man is only supposed to take iron for 21 days, then not take it for 7. That allows the body to flush out excess (women have a built in system obviously) Do not take dairy with iron, although being in S. Korea, I'm thinking that's not a problem.

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@chai2,

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Do not take dairy with iron, although being in S. Korea, I'm thinking that's not a problem.

HUM

http://img.qz.com/2014/03/top-importers-of-us-cheese-as-a-percentage-of-total-cheese-exports-2003-2013_chartbuilder.png?w=1024&h=394

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That doesn't mean consumption has increased. It could be they are by more from one country, and less from others.

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@chai2,

chai2 wrote:

btw, the reason you take the magnesium in the ZMA capsules is to avoid the common socially unacceptable effects of the mag. Remember, empty stomach.

...Do not take dairy with iron, although being in S. Korea, I'm thinking that's not a problem.

What's the side effect of the mag? Gas?

We've got plenty of dairy over here. I take protein powder, glutamine, creatine and aspartic acid with milk and/or yogurt. If I go the iron route, I'll be sure to keep it separate. I appreciate your tips.

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@FBM,

I've taken melatonin to no effect, but it must work for others.

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@roger,

I used it years ago for jet lag when I flew more frequently between Korea and the US. I don't know if it helped or not, but it's sure not equivalent to a genuine sleeping pill. I was thinking of giving it another go and recording in more detail what effects (if any) it has.

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@FBM,

Bottoms up!

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