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Bush: Understand Iraqi Opposition/Not Angry with France

 
 
Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 03:25 pm
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'I Was Never Angry with the French,' Says Bush
By Joelle Diderich

PARIS (Reuters) - President Bush said he was never angry with France over its refusal to back the U.S.-led war in Iraq, as both countries sought to play down past tensions ahead of the 60th anniversary of the D-Day landings.

"I was never angry with the French. France is a long-term ally," Bush told the weekly Paris Match in an interview due to be published on Thursday.

The U.S. president is among 17 heads of state scheduled to attend the commemorations in Normandy on June 6.

Like French President Jacques Chirac, Bush said there was never any falling out between the United States and France, which led opposition to the war that ousted Saddam Hussein.

"Listen, I made a difficult decision and not everybody agreed with that decision. But I understand that," he said in remarks printed in French and translated by Reuters.

"Jacques told me clearly. He did not think the use of force was necessary. We debated it as friends."

Chirac on Thursday also denied relations between himself and Bush had ever disintegrated or been affected by their disagreement over the Iraqi conflict.

"I was never angry with him and I never had the feeling that he was angry with me. We had a disagreement of views and that's normal," Chirac said.

Bilateral ties were severely strained last year when Chirac vowed to veto any U.S.-backed United Nations resolution authorizing an attack on Iraq and rallied German and Russian opposition to Washington's plans.

Reconciliation has not been easy. Bush shook hands with Chirac stiffly at a Group of Eight summit in France one year ago and left the gathering a day early.

France has also been critical of Washington's handling of the post-war situation in oil-rich Iraq, calling for sovereignty to be handed over swiftly to an Iraqi interim government

Bush said he understood that the presence of a U.S.-led multinational force in Iraq was a burden to many Iraqi people.
Asked if it was correct to say that not everyone who opposed U.S. occupation was a "terrorist," Bush said: "I agree. They are not all terrorists."

"The kamikazes are, but other fighters are not. They can't stand to be occupied. Neither I nor anyone else would like it if we were in their place. That is why we are giving them back their sovereignty," he was quoted as saying by Paris Match.

The United States and Britain on Tuesday submitted a second draft U.N. resolution giving Iraq considerable authority over its security and economy after the planned handover on June 30.

Chirac said on Wednesday the new draft resolution was a good basis for discussion but needed some improvements.

Despite their continued differences, both sides have made efforts to focus on issues where they can cooperate.

Bush, who barred Chirac from his ranch in Texas last year, even indicated he was now ready to host the French leader.

"If he wants to come and see some cows, he is welcome. He can come and see some cows," he said.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 04:16 pm
Liar,Liar pants on fire.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 08:06 pm
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"If he wants to come and see some cows, he is welcome. He can come and see some cows," he said.


I realize that the one thing I picked out is not that important if it is even important at all, but, it just gets on my nerves the way Bush acts all texan when he is from the eastern part of the country.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 08:10 pm
There will be no cow-seein' by Jacques Chirac.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 10:48 pm
Sofia wrote:
There will be no cow-seein' by Jacques Chirac.


Why not?
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septembri
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 11:06 pm
It is my opinion that the French are getting just what they deserve. They have, thus far, been shut out of Iraq. Their refusal to help to remove the dictator Saddam should result in a closure of French-Iraqi business, at least as far as the USA is able to influence.
The Socialist French are reaping the fruits of their left wing ideology--a limping economy with a very high unemployment rate. Soon, they will match the hapless German Unions which have caused Germany to reach a ten percent unemployment rate.

As Secretary of State Rumsfeld so aptly commented:---"Old Europe"

The French and Germans are vitiated and effete.

They will be left in the dust by China, Japan, India and South Korea.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 11:19 pm
septembri wrote:
The Socialist French are reaping the fruits of their left wing ideology--a limping economy with a very high unemployment rate.

They will be left in the dust by China, Japan, India and South Korea.


Ehem, it's a conservative government and a conservative president in France - the 'socialists' are in opposition :wink:


septembri wrote:
Soon, they will match the hapless German Unions which have caused Germany to reach a ten percent unemployment rate..


Any proof for this?
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septembri
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 11:22 pm
A conservative government in France is far to the left of the US government. What kind of a country would have a law(pushed by the socialist unions) that limits people to a 35 hour working week.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 11:29 pm
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PRESIDENT BUSH: I was the guy that said they ought to vote. And one country voted -- at least showed their cards, I believe. It's an old Texas expression, show your cards, when you're playing poker. France showed their cards. After I said what I said, they said they were going to veto anything that held Saddam to account. So cards have been played. And we'll just have to take an assessment after tomorrow to determine what that card meant.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030316-3.html

It must have meant "show me some cows".... or something.
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septembri
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 11:30 pm
In November 2003, The French had an unemployment rate of 9.6%

The Germans, however, still maintained an Unemployment Rate of more than 10% as of April 2004.

And the leaders of these two countries had the gall to criticize the US and its operations!!!!!!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 11:34 pm
septembri wrote:


And the leaders of these two countries had the gall to criticize the US and its operations!!!!!!


Shame on them.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 11:35 pm
And to their citizens as well, as they supported such.
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septembri
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 11:57 pm
Well, Sometimes people make mistakes. Some are large and some are small. The Germans backed Hitler in 1934.

We know that was a huge mistake. It is still arguable whether or not, the American Public should be "ashamed" of having elected George W. Bush. There are many opinions but, any opinions of non-citizens don't mean a great deal since they can not possibly have first hand knowledge of what it is like living in a land where a person like George W. Bush is president.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:05 am
septembri wrote:
There are many opinions but, any opinions of non-citizens don't mean a great deal since they can not possibly have first hand knowledge of what it is like living in a land where a person like George W. Bush is president.


Well, so, since you obviously aren't a citizen of a e.g. European country either ... ... ...
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septembri
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:26 am
Opinions are of an entirely different class than facts.

It is a fact that Germany has a 10% Unemployment Rate.

It is a fact that France had an Unemployment Rate of 9.6% in November.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 05:07 am
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It is my opinion that the French are getting just what they deserve.


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Opinions are of an entirely different class than facts.


So we can discount your entire point of France getting what they deserve because you said it was your opinion and you don't live in France or Germany.

What does their unemployment rate have to do with Iraq?

In any case, it seems that Bush now disagrees with you since he is going to both Germany and France after dismissing them as old Europe. But of course he sure ain't flip flopping.

As a personal note inspite of the fact that my family originally came from France, the reason I disagree with France's current policies is the banning of religious symbols/clothing in schools. Also if they don't allow people to work as long as they want too that isn't very good.

However it is their country and those inside their own country should fight it if they disagree with it rather than the US deciding and fighting for them as is now the current excuse in Iraq.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 05:33 am
An aside: no citizen in an EU-state (which are 25 independent states now) can legally work as long (employed, that is) due to laws - employment protection, health laws and the European Working Time Directive (EWTD).
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thehamster
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 07:23 am
septembri wrote:
Well, Sometimes people make mistakes. Some are large and some are small. The Germans backed Hitler in 1934.

We know that was a huge mistake. It is still arguable whether or not, the American Public should be "ashamed" of having elected George W. Bush. There are many opinions but, any opinions of non-citizens don't mean a great deal since they can not possibly have first hand knowledge of what it is like living in a land where a person like George W. Bush is president.

Well, Sometimes people make mistakes. Some are large and some are small. The United States of America was found by land-grabbing, Indian-killing, and cultures-destroying rednecks.

We know that was a huge mistake. But who tries to argue with the man who has the biggest gun in his hand..right?
And BTW we surely don't know what it's like to live under GWB, but what we do know is that Georgy and his Texas-yeeehaw-buddies of the Dallas oil-industries are not there to bring you good - they're there to bring themselves good and that's what makes us nervous.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 09:17 am
The elderly American gentleman arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he fumbled for his passport.

"You 'ave been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked
sarcastically. The old gent admitted that he had been to France previously.

"Zen, you should know enough to 'ave your passport ready for inspection."

The American said, "The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."

"Impossible. You Americans alwayz 'ave to show your passports on arrival in
France!"

The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly
explained.

"Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in '44, I couldn't find
any Frenchmen to show it to."
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:10 pm
au1929 wrote:
The elderly American gentleman arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he fumbled for his passport.

"You 'ave been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked
sarcastically. The old gent admitted that he had been to France previously.

"Zen, you should know enough to 'ave your passport ready for inspection."

The American said, "The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."

"Impossible. You Americans alwayz 'ave to show your passports on arrival in
France!"

The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly
explained.

"Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in '44, I couldn't find
any Frenchmen to show it to."


Yes, they don't fingerprint and take photos from foreigners at arrival in France. And unfortunately, they don't get the personal data from these persons in advance.

We Europeans should really take notice and learn from the US-American custom's habbits!



Besides, au, 1944 'Omaha Beach' was German :wink:
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