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Are there any peaceful muslim nations?

 
 
vikorr
 
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Thu 22 Jan, 2015 05:09 pm
Several Quranic versus, aimed directly and Christians and Jews, outline the intolerance of the religion.

Cut & Paste from http://www.noblequran.com . Note that all bracketed comments appear in that translation (ie. they aren't my comments). It's a true cut & paste.

The Quran comparing Muslims to Christians/Jews

98:6 Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad ( )) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.

98:7 Verily, those who believe [in the Oneness of Allah, and in His Messenger Muhammad ( )) including all obligations ordered by Islam] and do righteous good deeds, they are the best of creatures.

Note: there are other similar verses that espouse the superiority of Islam over every other religion.

The Quran on Christians & Jews

7.176. And had We willed, We would surely have elevated him therewith but he clung to the earth and followed his own vain desire. So his description is the description of a dog: if you drive him away, he lolls his tongue out, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls his tongue out. Such is the description of the people who reject Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.). So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect.

7.179. And surely, We have created many of the jinns and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless ones.

The following:

7.157. Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e.Muhammad ) whom they find written with them in the Taurat (Torah) (Deut, xviii, 15) and the Injeel (Gospel) (John xiv, 16) , - he commands them for Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained); and forbids them from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden); he allows them as lawful At-Taiyibat [(i.e. all good and lawful) as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods, etc.], and prohibits them as unlawful Al-Khaba'ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods, etc.), he releases them from their heavy burdens (of Allah's Covenant), and from the fetters (bindings) that were upon them. So those who believe in him (Muhammad ), honour him, help him, and follow the light (the Qur'an) which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful .

Is context for:

7.166. So when they exceeded the limits of what they were prohibited, We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected." (It is a severe warning to the mankind that they should not disobey what Allah commands them to do, and be far away from what He prohibits them).

On just Jews

2.65. And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday). We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected.

60. Say (O Muhammad to the people of the Scripture): "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hell-fire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world)."

Sadly, these verses are no where near the end of the basis' for intolerance in the Quran (but post too many verses, and people won't read even the start)
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vikorr
 
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Fri 23 Jan, 2015 09:12 pm
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydneys-muslim-community-rallies-in-lakemba-in-response-to-terror-attacks-that-rocked-paris/story-fni0cx12-1227195312315?sv=9127c18be6e4de7f063546570955f208&nk=2937f2b78a22942dd31a5ef550420ba0

Quote:
Sydney’s Muslim community rallies in Lakemba in response to terror attacks that rocked Paris

SYDNEY’S Muslim community has been urged to not turn the other cheek to “insults” and “attacks” on Islam and the prophet Muhammad.

In response to the terror attacks that rocked Paris last month, 1000 Muslims gathered in Lakemba last night.

Members of the crowd waved provocative signs that proclaimed “Je suis Muslims” — mimicking a phrase used in support of slain workers of the French magazine Charlie Hebdo — and chanted a promise to protect Muhammad and their faith....

Some of those present handed out cartoons of a dog urinating on the grave of the Charlie Hebdo workers gunned down in their Paris office by Islamic extremists earlier this month.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2015/01/23/1227195/311400-d110b1e2-a2f1-11e4-b988-694a6302ad1f.jpg
...Mr Badar said that would not be considered appropriate by Allah. He said Muslims should not accept or embrace the freedom of speech preached by the West and urged those present to reject it.


And in 'The Australian' (Australia's national newspaper)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/rise-as-one-call-to-sydney-rally-of-muslims/story-fnpdbcmu-1227195182837?nk=2937f2b78a22942dd31a5ef550420ba0
Quote:
‘Rise as one’ call to Sydney rally of Muslims

HIZB ut-Tahrir leaders last night urged a crowd of about 500 in Sydney’s Lakemba to rise as one to defend­ the name of the prophet Mohammed, extolling them to reject the West’s concept of freedom of speech as a “smokescreen” to oppress Muslims.

Organisers warmed up the audience with a series of chants including “rise, Muslims, take a stand, defend the prophet hand in hand” and “the prophet that you defame, Allah will protect his name”.

One speaker, Sufyan Badar, told the crowd it had gathered not as a reflection of freedom of association, but as a “response to the command of Allah”.

“Freedom is the smokescreen ... a political tool to oppress Muslims,” he said.
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vikorr
 
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Mon 26 Jan, 2015 04:10 am
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/hundreds-killed-as-nigerian-troops-and-islamic-extremists-clash/story-fnihsmjt-1227197424794
Quote:
Hundreds killed as Nigerian troops and Islamic extremists clash

IN fierce fighting that killed more than 200 combatants, Nigerian troops clashed with Islamic extremists who attacked Maiduguri, the biggest city in north-eastern Nigeria, from three fronts.

At the same time the insurgents continued scorched-earth attacks on villages some 200 kilometres to the south in Adamawa state, slitting throats of residents, looting and burning homes and abducting dozens of trapped women and children, according to Vandu Kainu and other escaping survivors...

Boko Haram has denounced democracy and wants to make an Islamic state of Nigeria, whose population of about 170 million is divided almost equally between Muslims in the north and Christians in the south...
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vikorr
 
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Wed 28 Jan, 2015 04:31 am
On Muslim Attitudes (in Britain)

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
Quote:
Many British Muslims Put Islam First

The recent homegrown plot in Britain to blow up transatlantic flights will intensify the fear that the country's 1.6 million Muslims are rejecting political tolerance and free speech for a violent, radicalized version of Islam. There is a real concern that British Muslims do pose a threat to that country and its traditional values. So how prevalent are such radical views among British Muslims?

Some answers are provided by the most comprehensive survey to date of Muslim opinion in Britain. The results from NOP Research, broadcast by Channel 4-TV on August 7, are startling.

(summarised)
- "hardcore Islamists" constitute 9% of the British Muslim population.
A slightly more moderate group is composed of "staunch defenders of Islam." This second group comprises 29% of the British Muslim population. Individuals in this group aggressively defend their religion from internal and external threats, real or imagined. (my note: total 38% of Britains Muslim Population)

- 45% say 9/11 was a conspiracy by the American and Israeli governments
almost 25% OF British Muslims believe that (the London tube bombings) were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.

- 33% of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law

- 28% hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state

- 33% of British Muslims believe that Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to end it.

- 68% support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who "insult Islam.

- When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62% of British Muslims say No, it should not.
Contrary to apologists claims, such percentages aren't 'a small percentage of muslims, blown out of proportion'
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vikorr
 
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Wed 28 Jan, 2015 04:38 am
Quran verses on non-integration, from noblequran.com

Note: This is only from the first 4 chapters. There are 114 Chapters in the Quran. All bracketed comments exist online.



3.28. Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allah is the final return.


3.118. O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand.

4.89. They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad ). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.


4.101. And when you (Muslims) travel in the land, there is no sin on you if you shorten your Salat (prayer) if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you, verily, the disbelievers are ever unto you open enemies.


3.149. O you who believe! If you obey those who disbelieve, they will send you back on your heels, and you will turn back (from Faith) as losers.

3.73. And believe no one except the one who follows your religion. Say (O Muhammad ): "Verily! Right guidance is the Guidance of Allah" and do not believe that anyone can receive like that which you have received (of Revelation) except when he follows your religion, otherwise they would engage you in argument before your Lord. Say (O Muhammad ): "All the bounty is in the Hand of Allah; He grants to whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, the All-Knower."

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coldjoint
 
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Wed 28 Jan, 2015 11:00 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Yeah, you're a ******* liar. And a repulsive bigot.


Haters going to hate.http://www.doomjunkie.com/images/smilies/roflmao.gif
coldjoint
 
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Sat 7 Feb, 2015 07:36 pm
@coldjoint,
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5597/the_bbc_and_islam_let_the_children_be_raped


Quote:
The BBC and Islam: Let the children be raped
Between the liberal-Left BBC and the hopeless British police who have internalised far-Left neo-fascist political correctness, little children are being raped and then blamed for being raped because the rapists are Muslim


That seems to be working in the UK. The new model for Western society?
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vikorr
 
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Sun 8 Feb, 2015 01:58 am
Full Story
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/prince-charles-fears-there-will-be-very-very-few-christians-left-in-the-middle-east/story-fnihsmjt-1227212245015

Quote:
Prince Charles fears there will be “very, very few” Christians left in the Middle East

PRINCE Charles says he fears there will be “very, very few” Christians left in the Middle East after the turmoil wracking the region.

The heir to the British throne, who is on a trip to the region, told the BBC that the plight of Christians persecuted by Islamic extremists was “a most agonising situation,” though it was important to remember they were just one persecuted minority among many around the world...
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vikorr
 
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Sun 8 Feb, 2015 02:42 am
Following on from the Quran:
- calling Jews/Christians, variously: dogs, cattle, monkeys, 'the worst of creatures' (Verses quoted in this post) ...
- stating of non-muslims: don't believe them, don't be friends with them, they are your open enemy (Verses in this post)

.... Quotes from the Quran ascribing other negative traits to Christians and Jews:

Quotes obtained from noblequran.com (all bracketed comments below exist online)

Jews/Christians are envious, jealous:

2.109. Many of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even, after the truth (that Muhammad Peace be upon him is Allah's Messenger) has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His Command. Verily, Allah is Able to do all things

3.19. Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat(proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account.

Jews/Christians are Haters:

3.118. O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand.

Jews/Christians (and all non-muslims) are followers of Satan:

Note: the following verses refer to 'unbelievers'. Any perusal of the Quran states numerous times that both Christians & Jews are unbelievers (an unbeliever is anyone that isn't Muslim).

4.76. Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan); Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitan (Satan).

4.117. They (all those who worship others than Allah) invoke nothing but female deities besides Him (Allah), and they invoke nothing but Shaitan (Satan), a persistent rebel!

7.27. O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitan (Satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabiluhu(his soldiers from the jinns or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayatin (devils) Auliya' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not.


There are also many other verses calling non-muslims: evil, impure, liars, untrustworthy, corrupt, deaf/dumb/blind (all quotable).
gungasnake
 
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Sun 8 Feb, 2015 06:21 pm
@vikorr,
Egypt's Al Sisi just read some sort of a riot act to the dickheads in charge of the I-Slam religion, basically told them that the rest of the world isn't goin gto tolerate their stupid **** much longer.

Other than that, you should have izzythepig on ignore like I do.
vikorr
 
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Sun 8 Feb, 2015 11:19 pm
@gungasnake,
I'm one of those people that don't mind other people holding different opinions to me - so Izzy, CI, and all others are welcome to post their views.

Even while they are entitled to their opinions, it is still noteworthy that the 'defenders of Islam':
- have had little to nothing negative thing to say about the violence done/ being done in Islam's name (ie. the examples that have been posted in this thread)
- are not prepared to discuss evidence of such
- try to silence people who link such evidence; and
- have not had anything to say against Quranic verses that display hate & intolerance of non-muslims (including directly targeting people and groups still around today)

oralloy
 
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Mon 9 Feb, 2015 02:57 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
I'm one of those people that don't mind other people holding different opinions to me - so Izzy, CI, and all others are welcome to post their views.

Differing views are fine.

The problem with izzythepush and C.I. is that neither of them have ever contributed anything other than childish namecalling.

Anyhow, how's a2k been doing? Almost all my free time has been going to World of Warcraft lately so I've not kept up much.
vikorr
 
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Mon 9 Feb, 2015 03:43 am
@oralloy,
It still has it's characters on here Very Happy
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vikorr
 
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Tue 10 Feb, 2015 10:47 pm
Full Story
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/sydney-terror-raid-two-men-arrested-hunting-knife-and-flag-seized/story-fnii5s41-1227215449716
Quote:
Sydney terror raid: Two men arrested, hunting knife and flag seized

THE two men arrested in terror raids yesterday had been living in a small granny flat at the back of a share house in Fairfield, where neighbours today spoke of their disbelief.

Omar Al-Kutobi, 24, and Mohammad Kiad, 25, were arrested at the flat on Riverview Rd, Fairfield about 4pm yesterday by the Joint Counter Terrorism Taskforce after a receiving information that an attack was imminent.

Police allege the pair had armed themselves with a machete and large hunting knife and were due to carry out a terror attack yesterday before police swooped...

A number of items were seized in the raids including a machete, a hunting knife, a home-made flag representing terrorist organisation IS and a video which depicted a man talking about carrying out an attack.
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vikorr
 
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Mon 16 Feb, 2015 02:45 am
Full Story
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/is-beheadings-christian-copts-killed-in-libya/story-fnihsmjt-1227220843589<br />
Quote:
IS beheadings: Christian Copts killed in Libya

...The graphic video showing 21 Egyptian Christians being beheaded in Libya as a “message signed with blood to the nations of the cross”.

“We will conquer Rome,” one of the executioners warns after committing the bloody act.

“The sea you have hidden Osama bin Laden’s body in, we will mix it with your blood”...
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vikorr
 
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Wed 18 Feb, 2015 03:54 am
Why does IS behead?

From Noblequran.com

Quote:
8.12. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."

47.4. So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost,

Having read a number of apologists arguments about how these are taken out of context, I note that not a single one (that I read) mentions:
- the Islamic concept of abrogation; nor
- how the quoted verses can be read in conjunction with verses on Jihad; nor
- how tens of thousands of IS fighters, born and bred to the Islamic religion, can somehow misread their own religious texts

There is of course a large amount of Historic precedent in the Islamic world for beheading.

Non committal reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beheading_in_Islamism

Are they evil?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/uk-jihadi-fighters-interview/
Quote:
In all our conversations, both men proved unfailingly polite. They patiently answered our questions, determined for us to see their point of view: for them, America is an immoral country at war with Muslims...

...We asked them if they would consider carrying out an execution by beheading.

"This is the Islamic way of execution and we will do only that which please Allah," replied Abu Anwar. "It means cutting off the necks of the enemies of Islam then we are more than happy to do it.
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vikorr
 
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Sat 21 Feb, 2015 04:26 pm
http://asiancorrespondent.com/130771/car-bomb-hits-insurgency-plagued-southern-thailand-13-hurt/

Quote:
Car bomb hits insurgency-plagued southern Thailand; 13 hurt

HAT YAI, Thailand (AP) — Thai police say suspected Muslim insurgents have detonated a car bomb that wounded 13 people and damaged buildings in a southern city.

Police Col. Manit Yimsaai says the bomb was hidden in a pickup truck that was parked in front of a karaoke bar in a commercial district in Narathiwat province.

He said the explosion Friday wounded two soldiers and 11 civilians, one of them seriously.

Manit says the bomb also damaged rows of restaurants and shops in the predominantly Buddhist neighborhood.

Narathiwat is one of the three Muslim-majority southern provinces in Buddhist-dominated Thailand.

More than 5,000 people have been killed in the region since an Islamic insurgency erupted in 2004.


And full story for another:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/9877429/Muslim-insurgents-launch-50-attacks-in-Thailands-deep-south.html
Quote:
Muslim insurgents launch 50 attacks in Thailand's deep south

Muslim insurgents fighting for a separate state in Thailand's deep south launched 50 bomb and arson attacks over the weekend, killing three members of the security forces as violence in the troubled region intensifies...
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coldjoint
 
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Sat 21 Feb, 2015 09:47 pm
Quote:
The only Muslims whose lives "don't matter"
are the ones killed by other Muslims.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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jcboy
 
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Sun 22 Feb, 2015 08:06 am
Right wing hypocrites!

 http://oi60.tinypic.com/2czx02g.jpg
coldjoint
 
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Sun 22 Feb, 2015 02:29 pm
@jcboy,
Obama is a traitor. That is much, much worse than a hypocrite.
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