I read that, too. But I'm not so sure Cuomo is taken as much of a guru today. His star got kind of tarnished. And his son Andrew, who was supposed to be a high hope, has turned out not to be. The Cuomo name in politics is not what it used to be. Neither is Giuliano's, come to think of it, and he's more within recent memory.
Oops -- I guess I don't take that the way you do, Sofia.
What I'd like is for Mario to take Al Gore aside for about two weeks and teach him how NOT to step on an applause line. All the way through the NYU speech (which was on Cspan here in NYC) Al smooshed every swell of emotion the crowd was trying to give him. Al did that all the way the last campaign and it drove me crazy then and it drives me crazy now. (I am an old actor from the school that taught you freeze the action until the laughs or the applause dies......)
The thing that kills me is that George Bush Jr. is a NATURAL at waiting till the mob has it's fill.......
What can you do?
Republicans are so attune to "Satan" figures they can't recognize true Democratic politics in action - Sofia, anything you say is taken with a pound and half of salt (as compared to a grain) - then, must be washed before ingesting!
Democratic National Committee just loves Dean....
he's a RADIAL A FREAKIN' LEFT WING RADICAL, he's liable to move the party back to being democrats and we cant have that, can we?
BillW wrote:Republicans are so attune to "Satan" figures they can't recognize true Democratic politics in action - Sofia, anything you say is taken with a pound and half of salt (as compared to a grain) - then, must be washed before ingesting!
Hey!! That was yer man, Cuomo!
I suppose if I say Tartarin's comic strip is relevant--I'll be blamed for it, as well!
<in a huff> :wink:
BillW wrote:Republicans are so attune to "Satan" figures they can't recognize true Democratic politics in action - Sofia, anything you say is taken with a pound and half of salt (as compared to a grain) - then, must be washed before ingesting!
I liked that "as compared to a grain" bit. I guess it was needed to help subtle Democrat minds grasp the figure of speech.
I do hope what we are seeing is "... true Democratic (sic) politics in action..." . It will certainly guarantee another Republican administration.
dyslexia wrote:as i am sure most of you know, the dept of labor which releases the unemployment stats every month also releases what they call "payroll" stats which i believe are far more relevant.
This was picked up by somebody else and tartarin as well, but i dunno about that - i mean, not if we're still talking about finding numbers that would give a good reflection of what the state of the economy is. But perhaps i'm talking too much from a dutch perspective.
In holland, the number of "inactives" in % of the population has risen, and risen, and risen, over the years, outnumbering the number of people on the "payroll stats". Partly thanks to ever more generous pre-retirement etc arrangements, partly due to a booming number of people on (partial) disability benefits.
In the booming economy of the mid-nineties, even while unemployment figures dropped to a record low of 3%, the number of "inactives" still grew faster than ever. Perhaps because tackling the problem would mean cutting into some popular benefits, and why take that risk if we could still afford it anyway? It didnt affect the boom ...
Conversely, it is now that economic recession has hit us, that the overburdened government is clamping down on all those expensive "inactives", pushing people (back) up the labour market just when unemployment is already rising anyhow. So soon unemployment could well go up while the number of "inactives" overall goes down.
So like I said, I dunno about that one. Looking at the number of "inactives" overall may serve to gauge the long-term health/feasibility of one's tax/benefits system (how small a minority of taxpayers will still be willing to pay for how large a 'burden' of inactives in the long run, etc). Too high a number will cause a structural problem for the system. But thats another thing altogether.
The US unemployment number has gone down and payroll $ down not because people went back to work but because they went off the rolls or if they did go back to work, they took a much lesser job.
Dean earns another headline. This from Slate's Whopper of the Week.
(Didn't want Bush to be the lone recipient of 'lie' honors...)
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Whopper of the Week: Howard Dean
"Oh, that statement about raising the retirement age
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By Timothy Noah
Posted Friday, August 8, 2003, at 10:16 AM PT
"Dennis Kucinich: [M]y good friend, Mr. Dean, has said that he'd move the retirement age to 68. One time he talked about moving it to 70.
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"Howard Dean:Sen. Bob PackwoodHoward DeanDean said,Dean told NBCI have never favored Social Security retirement at the age of 70" is completely untrue.
They're running scared - good to see
Certainly the symptoms mentioned by the psychologists are rampant in A2K. Nice post!!
Quote:Terminating Event
Why Arnold will lose, and what it signals about a subtle shift in American politics.
By Michael Tomasky
Every so often in life you have to go out on a limb. So here goes: Arnold Schwarzenegger will not be the next governor of California. What's more, his loss will represent an important moment in a shift in American politics that has been in gestation for some time now -- toward a politics in which voters make decisions more on the basis of their cultural affinities than in response to a candidate's charisma or fame.
The media have already decided Schwarzenegger is close to a shoo-in. The Time magazine poll -- in which he led Gov. Gray Davis by 19 points and Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante by 10 -- was widely perceived as showing his strength. In fact, it showed exactly the opposite. Schwarzenegger is probably among the two dozen most famous people in the world. A lieutenant governor is a lieutenant governor; he can drive himself to the video store and stare at the shelves for 45 minutes without a soul noticing. Usually a political candidate who is already famous and enters a race starts out polling high and has nowhere to go but down once he starts sounding more like a politician and less like a movie star. That Arnold led Bustamante just 25-to-15 should be very worrisome for Schwarzenegger partisans.
And in the week he's been a candidate, Schwarzenegger's numbers sure haven't gone up. His first round of morning talk-show appearances was judged pretty awful. More recently, as the Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday, there's been enough grumpiness in the Arnold camp that a fairly major shake-up has already taken place, with people like George Gorton, Schwarzenegger's chief adviser over the last couple of years, relegated to the second tier. When campaigns do that, leaks to the press from the disgruntled faction are the inevitable byproduct. And once a campaign gets a reputation as disorganized or divided, that becomes the scent the media decide to track, and the reputation becomes a difficult one to shake.
Arnold's new close advisers come from the camp of former Gov. Pete Wilson. As associations go, this isn't a great one in today's California: Wilson is mostly remembered for the Proposition 187 ballot initiative that sought to slice state aid to illegal immigrants. It's true that Prop. 187 passed by a large margin. But that's precisely why it could now be a problem for Arnold: The people who came out on the short end of that vote (and Schwarzenegger voted for it) are the ones who are still angry about it. Anger, of course, is a better motivator than joy. A Latino candidate ought to be able to do something with that.
Another thing a Latino candidate ought to be able to use: The Oct. 7 recall ballot will feature yet another proposition, this one called Prop. 54, that seeks to ban state and local government agencies from collecting racial data, even for use in compiling health-care statistics and the like. This is the handiwork of Ward Connerly, the black, anti-affirmative action University of California regent who spearheaded the anti-affirmative action Prop. 209. Prop. 54 may well pass; those kinds of things usually do. But mere passage can be a deceptive way to look at a situation like this. If Prop. 54 makes it through, it will be with the backing of voters of many different ideological stripes -- Schwarzenegger supporters, Davis supporters or backers of the two leading conservative candidates -- for whom Prop. 54 was not a motivator but an afterthought. For many opponents, however, Prop. 54 will be a motivator. Those are Bustamante voters, so Prop. 54 can simultaneously win and still drive up Bustamante's turnout.
And finally, there's those two conservatives. Failed gubernatorial candidate Bill Simon and state Sen. Tom McClintock both vow to run all-out races. Republicans win in California, as Wilson did, by essentially acting like moderates but sending just enough signals to mollify the voters on the hard right. Schwarzenegger, by all appearances, already has the right against, or at least very suspicious of, him. He's going to have to make choices in the next seven weeks on a whole range of social issues. Those choices will upset either moderates or right-wingers. It's unlikely he'll be able to satisfy both, which is one of the costs of having to fill in a tabula rasa in such a short time period.
A few years ago Arnold's fame and stature could have more than likely overcome these deficiencies. But something has been changing in American politics in recent years. A series of corrosively divisive events have made Americans choose sides to a degree that has no recent precedent in American politics. The Clinton impeachment, the 2000 election and the debate over the Iraq War have been the main events. But larger cultural developments and controversies, from same-sex marriage to whether one believes Martha Stewart and her $248,000 windfall are really worth a prosecutor's time, have created an America in which engaged citizens are defending their cultural and ideological turf and are increasingly distrustful of the people and institutions that don't share their mores. It's a climate, in other words, in which great fame or a winning personality is less likely to trump people's deeper concerns about the state of the culture and the direction the country is heading.
Which brings us to 2004. It's often been observed that the Democratic field is personality challenged. I wouldn't disagree. But I think the upcoming presidential election might be the least personality-driven election in generations. It's more important now, in a country as divided as this one is, that candidates represent a set of values. An other-than-flashy Cruz Bustamante, and even a boring Democratic presidential candidate, can come out ahead if they do that vigorously and intelligently.
http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2003/08/tomasky-m-08-13.html
Some recent polling numbers by the WaPo.
An excerpt.
THE RETURN to a polarized political climate, coming so quickly after a period of relative unity during the height of the fighting in Iraq, foreshadows a contentious reelection campaign for the president. The public mood also carries risks for the president's Democratic challengers, who are attempting to appeal to the strong anti-Bush sentiment within their party without jeopardizing the need to attract independent and swing voters in next year's general election. A solid majority (56 percent) of those surveyed approve of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq, and six in 10 said the war was worth fighting. Those evaluations had been dropping earlier in the summer, but are not significantly different than in a poll taken a month ago and suggest the downward slide may have halted, at least for now.
DOMESTIC DOUBTS
Bush receives poorer marks on the domestic scene, with 45 percent approving of the way he is handling the economy and 41 percent saying they approve of the way he has dealt with the federal budget, despite a deficit that will hit an estimated $455 billion this fiscal year, a record.
Only a third of those surveyed said the state of the economy was good or excellent. About the same percentage said things were getting better as said things are getting worse (32 percent vs. 29 percent), which, while not impressive, was a more optimistic appraisal than at the beginning of the year.
Asked whether they were better off since Bush became president, 17 percent said they were doing better while 25 percent said they were worse off. Bush's net negative rating on that question is the worst in any Post poll since President George H.W. Bush, whose poor ratings on the economy led to his defeat in 1992. Still, 14 percent of those surveyed said Bush bears primary responsibility for the state of the economy, with twice as many blaming the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.
Overall, 59 percent approve of the way Bush is handling his job. While his approval rating has dropped 18 percentage points since early April, his current level of support represents a good foundation as he begins the campaign year ahead.
Behind all these numbers is a country that views Bush and his policies through very different lenses, depending on party affiliation. Throughout much of Bush's presidency, Democrats and Republicans have been at odds in evaluating him, particularly on the economic and domestic issues, but at times of crisis have rallied behind the president on issues of national security
On the day Baghdad fell in April, when Bush's approval rating was at 77 percent, 95 percent of Republicans and 62 percent of Democrats said they approved of his handling of the presidency. In the new poll, GOP support is statistically unchanged, but Democrats have turned sharply negative in their assessments, with 64 percent saying they disapprove.
POLARIZING ISSUE
In other areas, the two parties are mirror opposites of one another, with 80 percent of Democrats disapproving of Bush's handling of the economy and 77 percent of Republicans approving. On the federal budget, 76 percent of Democrats disapprove of Bush's handling of the issue, while 71 percent of Republicans approve.
Independents give Bush positive ratings on his overall handling of the presidency and also on Iraq, but net negative ratings on the economy, taxes and the budget.
The Post poll was conducted among 1,003 randomly selected adults nationwide, who were interviewed by telephone Aug. 7-11. The margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or minus 3 percentage points.
The poll shows that Iraq has again become a polarizing issue, as it was in the months before the war began. Roughly two in three Democrats disapprove of Bush's handling of Iraq, compared with 86 percent of Republicans who approve.
Other issues bring similarly disparate assessments of the war. A majority of Democrats say the war was not worth fighting, while majorities of Republicans and independentsHoward Dean's opposition to the war makes him an unacceptable nominee to challenge Bush. Lieberman also has criticized Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), claiming Kerry tried to have it both ways by supporting the congressional resolution authorizing the use of force but then criticizing Bush for rushing to war.
Lieberman has argued that Democrats need a candidate who strongly supported going to war in Iraq to attract swing voters. In the poll, independents solidly support the U.S. presence in Iraq and say the war was worth fighting, but a majority believe Bush exaggerated the threat from weapons of mass destruction, and half said the level of casualties has been too high.
Asked whether they would vote for Bush or a Democratic nominee if the election were held today, 48 percent said Bush, 40 percent said the Democrat. On that question, eight in 10 Democrats said they would support their party's nominee, and nine in 10 Republicans said Bush. Independents split 43-39 percent in Bush's favor
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Wonder why they cited Lieberman so much? No real good news for anybody. Depending on who the Dems choose (if they can appeal to the Indies and swing voters), it may be another squeaker.
Quote:What did Howard Dean do to make the media so snarky about his primary run?
Now that he has emerged as a major fundraiser with flocks of enthusiastic supporters, a vigorous campaign staff, a bag full of Internet tricks and respectable--and rising--poll numbers, the pundits and reporters have to go through the motions of taking him seriously: In a single August week he was on the cover of Time and Newsweek and had a major story in U.S. News & World Report. But aside from some curiously cheerful coverage in the Wall Street Journal, they obviously don't like him. He's "brusque," "testy," the "ex-Governor of a speck of a state" and "a shrill Northeasterner," Karen Tumulty wrote in Time. "It's hard to imagine Dean's glorious season ending without disappointment," adds John Cloud in his profile in the same issue, in which he draws a labored and precious similarity between Dean and George W. Bush (both come from rich Republican families, both went to Yale, partied hearty, speak Spanish--never mind that Dean went to medical school while George II relied on his father's cronies to set him up in the oil business). "The Doctor Is In--In Your Face!" warns U.S. News. Over at Newsweek ("Destiny or Disaster?"), Jonathan Alter also finds "the diminutive family doctor" "brusque" and says he "strutted like a little Napoleon onto the floor of the usually genteel Vermont State Senate."
Selling Dean Short
And so it begins. The curs smell fresh meat.
Dean is threatening the Fascist hold on the USA
Commenting on PDid's article above on Dean--
Dean's personality precedes him. He is brusque and hasn't wasted his time playing up to the media. This will probably continue to detract from his coverage, until he is forced to make nice with them.
He's sort of like McCain--with the attitude. I thought Dean had adopted the In Your Face slogan.
The only comments that seemed over the top to me were 'shrill Northeasterner' and reference to Napoleon. I think if I were running his campaign, I'd have him make some sly reference to that.
I do think the media is nursing a dislike for Dean. What was his crime? Does he not give enough interviews for their taste?
Sounds like the republicans are running scared of Dean. Despite all their talking up of Lieberman (he was THEIR candidate), its not working.
Coverage of Dean, in all the papers I read, is just about where it would be. He's just now coming into notice. And no escaping all the people and money who are obviously attracted to him. Don't forget - you're not just talking about internet connections. All those meet-ups brought still more people in personally.
And there have not yet been big fund-raisers, where people had to pay to get in. Which, after all, is the way the poor republicans get all those big donors for Bush and Cheney. I mean, that's all they've got.
What seems to be working here, so far, is vox populi.
Now, looking at California and Bustamante, and at the discomfort in the southern states, and the fact that if Andrew Young runs there probably wouldn't even be a race - oh, you poor republicans.