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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 09:43 pm
kuvasz "mary landruie from lousiana" very interesting thought and i think a damn good one.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 09:44 pm
Making good lasagna is a far more important trait than political success.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 10:16 pm
Kuvasz,

Very funny!

Try this new thread:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9525&highlight=
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 10:37 pm
Setanta wrote:
Making good lasagna is a far more important trait than political success.


how true, good lasagna leaves no indigestion, for one thing :wink:
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 10:56 pm
kuvasz wrote:
lie-berman is toast, he is releasing his fund raisers and one would ask, "who is he going to support?"

It looks like you may be jumping the gun a bit on that...

Quote:
Lieberman names 2 new fund-raisers
Discord on strategy said to prompt shift

By Glen Johnson, Globe Staff, 7/15/2003

Senator Joseph I. Lieberman named two new fund-raisers yesterday for his presidential run after his campaign manager and finance chief developed irreconcilable differences. Shari Yost, the former finance director, will remain with the campaign, said Lieberman spokesman Jano Cabrera. Yost will hold the title senior adviser for finance. The fate of her deputy, Jennifer Yocham, had not been settled, said campaign director Craig T. Smith. Yost and Yocham formerly worked for Thomas A. Daschle, the Senate Democratic leader.
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/196/nation/Lieberman_names_2_new_fund_raisers+.shtml
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 11:50 pm
I still think Kerry has the weight. Dean's support seems to grow, but seems also to lack real depth or strength. I know there are lots of folks here who disagree, but I really think Dean is PERCEIVED by lots of Dems as being too left. Gephardt appears to have more broadspread, demographically diverse support than Dean, and in most polls pegs considerably higher than Dean. Internet popularity probably has little relationship to Joe and Sally Average Middle American Blue Collar Worker ... a key Dem demographic. Lieberman comes off as proven loser trying for yet another nosebleed. None of the rest are anything more than bit players in this soap opera. Of course, the foregoing is just my opinion, and derived through no means more scientific than barroom conversations and a perusal of the media and press coverage.

Oh, and reasonably good job getting the thread back on topic ... there were a couple bobbles along the way, but it seems on-track now. Just don't poke at one another ... poke at arguments, poke at positions, poke at politicians, policies, and Italian Food, BUT DON"T POKE AT ONE ANOTHER!.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 11:56 pm
timber - I respect your opinions here (on anything but food), so can you give me Timber's Guide to Kerry? What specifically makes him the top runner in the loser's race for 2004, in your CONCISE opinion, oh wise one?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 12:21 am
For one thing, Scrat, Kerry's poll numbers are solid ... and his support is spread across a spectrum of respondants. Dean, on the other hand, has a support base with a narrower, more youthful, academic, activist demographic. Few of the Over-30 crowd seem to lean toward Dean, while Kerry shows substantial support across the board ... even in campus polls, he scores well ahead of Dean, and with a consistent margin. Then too, Kerry has fundraising thing down. Going back over Kerry's voting record, he seems to have "Teamed Up" with more co-legislators than have either Gephardt or Lieberman, leading me to think he'll have stronger support than either of them (or Dean or Edwards) among the Party hierarchy and rank-and-file alike. He's a consumate politician and a formidable fundraiser. Again, none of this is scientific, its just my gut feeling.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 12:24 am
Thanks for the response. I'll have to read up on him. I must admit knowing next to nothing about Kerry, but it might be worth knowing a few things in case I need to encourage a friend not to vote for him. Very Happy
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 12:32 am
I wonder if Kerry can overcome the Massachusetts Liberal mantle in a national election.

Who would he shop for down South for the Veep? Breck boy?
(Please remember, FL is not considered the South. Graham doesn't count.) :wink:

I do think, barring some unforeseen catalyst--Kerry gets the nomination. I thought Joe, but things seem to be unravelling a bit.

Still--it's early.

Would anyone really pick Hill for Veep? I thought for a while, she'd be good for the Dems, as she seems to energize them.

Question. Can Bill Clinton serve as Veep? My Oujia board is clicking. Not familiar with the law in this area.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 01:39 am
Sofia wrote:
I wonder if Kerry can overcome the Massachusetts Liberal mantle in a national election.

Who would he shop for down South for the Veep? Breck boy?
(Please remember, FL is not considered the South. Graham doesn't count.) :wink:

I do think, barring some unforeseen catalyst--Kerry gets the nomination. I thought Joe, but things seem to be unravelling a bit.

Still--it's early.

Would anyone really pick Hill for Veep? I thought for a while, she'd be good for the Dems, as she seems to energize them.

Question. Can Bill Clinton serve as Veep? My Oujia board is clicking. Not familiar with the law in this area.


well, of course rove, et al. will attempt tp cast kerry as a kennedy liberal. perhaps though when kerry debates bush and the latter mentions his strong commitment to american security, kerry might just ask bush "which war did you serve in george?" then show bush his (kerry's) silver star, bronze star and combat v medals, naturally, bush can counter with pictures of himself in his tight codpiece uniform on that aircraft carrier.

one thing to remember, kerry's wife is a very, very, very rich woman who is willing to help her husband. if the gop follows its modus operendi, they will attack kerry's personal life, including his wife. if that happens, there isn't enough money in bush's pockets for him to counter mrs kerry's money. she has already warned in interviews that if she herself is attacked by the GOP she will open her wallet and beat them until they bleed.
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 05:57 am
Good points, K:

Money trumps everything in the good ole' U.S.A.

Kerry/anyone will out-spend everyone and the Democrats just may return to the White House after all ...
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Mapleleaf
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 08:42 am
3 break from pack in fund-raising race
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By Glen Johnson, Globe Staff, 7/16/2003

ASHINGTON -- Fund-raising figures released yesterday showed former Vermont governor Howard Dean, Senator John Kerry, and Senator John Edwards separating themselves from the rest of the Democratic presidential contenders, and Representative Richard A. Gephardt falling $1 million short of his money goal for the last three months.

CLICK TITLE TO READ REST OF ARTICLE.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 10:32 am
Sofia wrote:
Would anyone really pick Hill for Veep?

Never. She has too much baggage and besides, why would she want that job again? :wink:
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 11:38 pm
http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage5.asp

The odor of desperation is beginning to pervade the room.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 11:53 pm
Hello?!

Unreal.

Thanks for the link, maxs. It seems the NY/CA/ media/movie crowd/intelligensia sees a line of Democratic turds running for President.

They have spoken. Rolling Eyes

Well, if Brokaw runs, he'll have all the journalists in the country not only voting for him--but slanting for him, as well. Might as well be out in the open with it.

You think they might go to Dan Rather if Tom nixes? Laughing Laughing Laughing

My take on this turn of events: AARRRG.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2003 04:38 am
Tom Nix?

Are you even aware of your own entertainment industry joke there?

Yes, Max, the odor of desparation does fill the spaces where conservatives congregate. With Pinocchio as your president, and his nose growing longer every day, it's not to be wondered at.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2003 08:40 am
There's a very good reason the half year or so before the beginning of the caucases and primaries is termed "The SillySeason"
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2003 08:48 am
and what, perchance, do we call the post primary season?
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2003 08:53 am
dyslexia wrote:
and what, perchance, do we call the post primary season?


well, in 2000, I believe it was called the pre-selection season; let's hope that doesn't repeat in 2004!
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