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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 11:15 pm
From Slate.
The DailyKos.

Cattle Call 2004: 6/11
Last week's rankings: 1) Gephardt, 2) Kerry, 3) Dean, 4) Graham, 5) Lieberman, 6) Edwards, 7) Sharpton, 8) Kucinich, and 9) Moseley-Braun.

This week's rankings:

1. Dick Gephardt
Quiet week, but he's still top dog in that all important Iowa contest. In fact, he seems to be winning the media race for "front-runner" status. That must burn Kerry (the self-annointed one) up, but Gephardt has run a far better campaign.

Still, he can't rest on his laurels. His Iowa numbers continue to look good (the real race is for second place), and NH doesn't really matter (for him). The Feb. 2 races haven't been polled extensively, but once they are, we'll have a better idea of how his candidacy is playing in those critical (for him) states.

And, Gephardt needs a clean Iraq victory to help ease anger amongst the anti-war crowd. It's not looking good in that department.

2. Howard Dean
Continues to show improvement in the polls. Got over 3,000 people to attend his Austin rally. Impressive stuff. Iraq and WMD developments are a boost to his anti-war position.

But much will depend on those all-important Q2 fundraising totals. Remember, all the low-hanging fruit has been picked. While all the candidates needs a strong showing, Dean's numbers are some of the most important (only Lieberman has more at stake). $2.6 million won't cut it this quarter.

3. John Kerry
Is it me, or has Kerry become a prop for stories mentioning Dean? Accuse me of whatever biases you want (my disclaimer is on the left-hand corner), but Kerry has been in a slow decline since his operation.

He's still in solid enough ground that he could turn things around. Remember, it really still is early. But at some point things are going to have to change. Perhaps an internal shakeup is in order? Or maybe a week off from campaigning to regroup and find some new energy.

4. Bob Graham
With his recent kiss-ups of Dean, might he now be running exclusively for VP? His poll numbers are heinous, and his attacks on the administration have really not caught fire, even in the "scandal" atmosphere that's starting to surround the WMD issue.

5. Joe Lieberman
He got Garry South, and for that along he gets the "up" arrow. It's a great catch, regardles sof what you think of South or Gray Davis. But no candidate has more riding on his Q2 fundraising totals than Lieberman. Rumors are that he is lagging, but he could be lowering expectations ahead of the results.

The latest NH poll has him eeking ahead of Gephardt for the all-important third slot in that state. So, not a gangbusting week, but better than most recent.

6. John Edwards
Quiet, quiet, quiet. He set a high bar for fundraising totals. If he comes in significantly less than last quarter he might take a hit.

7. Kucinich
All Jessica Lynch, all the time. It's at least putting him on the map.

8. Al Sharpton
An invisible week.

9. Carol Moseley-Braun
What, does someone have to drag her out of the race?

Others: Clark (might join the race late. Draft movement has received FEC clearance.)

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kuvasz
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 12:13 am
the only one who is worth a damn is kucinich. the others ain't worth a bucket of piss.

they are johnny come latelies who would sell the working person down the stream for a few pennies.

but kucinich is ugly and tv don't like that and the media don't like his politics.

but put him against bush in a debate and he would chew bush a new a$$hole.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 05:41 am
Nice take, Big Dog.

I think Kucinich makes an excellent VP candidate for whomever shakes out on top.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 06:52 am
Quote:
the only one who is worth a damn is kucinich



And considering he is stark raving bonkers, it doesn't look good.

You don't buy into his new age crystal rubbing philosophy, do you kuvasz?
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 07:08 am
His new age crystal rubbing philosophy? Hell, look at the crotch-grabbing mindlessness we put up with all the time herein, and the wholly amoral behavior of an administration we've had for over two years.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 07:10 am
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1-712552,00.html

Now, if you could get Ms. Paglia to run, I would vote for her!!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 07:33 am
Tartarin, I believe the "crotch-grabbing mindlessness" is the previous administration
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littlek
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 07:38 am
This might be a good place to post this:
http://www.moveonpac.org/moveonpac/index.phtml

The Move on Organization is asking it's subscribers to think about important questions on a variety of topics about party platform. What's important to those of us who subscribe? And who, then after it's all said and done, best represents us for endorsement. Very cool concept for the little e-newsletter!
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 08:10 am
Quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/13/opinion/13KRUG.html
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 08:35 am
Krug is on the money again. It was talk like that which made me really unpopular on Abuzz. Blame the liberals and others who avert their eyes? Nevva! I don't think the eyes are averted anymore. But I do suspect mass castration.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 08:38 am
maxsdadeo wrote:
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the only one who is worth a damn is kucinich



And considering he is stark raving bonkers, it doesn't look good.

You don't buy into his new age crystal rubbing philosophy, do you kuvasz?


"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

hamlet act 1 scene 5

and actually, i worked for the natural law party in the 90's. while you may consider its basis to be new age, it has the best party philosophy for dealing with the long term problems facing humanity....striving for peace by humanity understanding itself and the world and dealing with political problems from a scientific viewpoint.

if you ever heard john haglein speak you would understand that politics does not need to be devisive.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 09:01 am
Just want to mention once again the really interesting interview with Hillary on Fresh Air yesterday (npr.org), and say that I exempt Hillary from the "castration" accusation, and not just because she's the wrong gender. She is armed for bear. She said all the things -- or most of the things -- we've wanted to hear from the Dems. Wouldn't be surprised to see her in a well-armed pickup, six-pack in the cooler, bumper stickers sending Bush and the entire Republican party to hell. When she gets out of that pickup, it seems that she smiles and works cooperatively with her fellow members of Congress, even DeLay, and does her job. But watch out. She'll run right over them when the time comes...
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 09:19 am
"She'll run right over them when the time comes"
hoping she is car pooling at the time.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 09:23 am
Quote:
if you ever heard john haglein speak you would understand that politics does not need to be devisive.


Heard him?!?!?

He's an Iowa boy kuvasz, I know well of him, but am not convinced.

Quote:
Krug is on the money again.



The implication that one takes from this is that he has been on the money in the past.

I see nothing to lead me to the same conclusion.

Perhaps it was his self important aggrandizement which stated that "Enron would be the defining moment of our economy" (It isn't)

Or perhaps it was his dire prediction that Iraq would be a "quagmire" (It wasn't)

Which, dear Tartarin, is the best example of the esteemed Mr. Krugman being "on the money"?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 09:33 am
Really McGentrix, you must learn to categorize male technique better than that. Clinton bit his lip and smiled warmly.......this is a very much more intriguing and successful style for seduction than Bush's crotch grabbing (grabbing his own crotch, indicating insecurity). It's a real turn off to many women. It certainly is to me. And it carries a subtle message to many who, I think correctly identify it with a need to prove something, thus the war mongering.

And as for Hillary and her recent book...... I don't see how a woman being commander in chief could be any worse, by far than Bush who obviously doesn't think for himself. He's a puppet of his handlers, notably Rove, Rumsfeld, et al. And worse yet, he's a compulsive crotch grabbing puppet, only a few steps away from his alcoholism, cocaine doing days. He's an addict, trading fanatical religion for alcohol. He's a dangerous man. But he's also unappealing to many women. He's such a goof. I guess that's rude to say it, but, well, it's the truth from my perspective.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 09:53 am
He's all those things?

Yet, he's our president...hmmmmm...those poor stupid americans...
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 09:59 am
yes, but McG, but he was only selected by one vote: Clarence Thomas'
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 10:25 am
Bush v. Gore: A Legal Realist's Assessment


From a legal realist's point of view, the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Bush v. Gore should come as no surprise -- the decision simply continued the conservative backlash on equal protection clause (EPC) jurisprudence.

The EPC jurisprudence started with using EPC as a tool for helping the underprivileged, especially the underfranchised. But in the past few years, we have seen a reversing trend: while the EPC used to back racial minorities' struggle in grabbing legislative seats from incumbents, it is now utilized to maintain certain district shapes that apparently favor the GOP; while EPC used to break segregations in Southern schools, it is now invoked to strike down affirmative action policies in college admission. Given this trend, it is no surprise that the case of Bush v. Gore came out as it did.

It is a good idea to remember the purpose of separation of power in a liberal democratic system. The legislature, in a democracy, typically follows majority rule. The courts are meant to guard the constitution in which protection of minority in a majority-ruling democracy is enshrined as a paramount principle. Otherwise, the majority can always quash the minority's voice -- this is called the "tyranny of the majority." To me, the undervotes in Florida were prime candidates crying out for judicial and constitutional protection. These are people who, unfamiliar or confused over the voting procedure, due to language barrier, poor educational background or health problems, voted not as they intended to. Shouldn't these people be the ones that EPC seeks out to protect? Yes, many of them tend to have lower income, probably are recent immigrants and probably are on Medicare or other welfare assistance. And, as you may have guessed it, they tend to be Democrats. Letting the legislative and executive branches of the Florida government get away with all kinds of red tapes and ironclad machine-reading "one-corner-chad" rules is letting the traditional majority discount the underfranchised.

Now, if I were a computer, I would point out the flip side of the above argument: Gore actually won the national popular vote -- the majority was behind him, albeit by a slim margin. In this case, the Electoral College system plus this Supreme Court ruling, I think, did exactly what Constitution says: fend off the mob! Well, this argument has some merit only when the underfranchised became the majority in number. We can argue whether it is sheer number or wealth that constitutes majority. And we should always keep in mind that the Constitution is an outcome of compromises. Both sides can find ammunitions in it.

This is why accusing the U.S. Supreme Court of exercising undue judicial activism is not going to be a winning argument. One may well argue that the U.S. Supreme Court rectified the judicial activism of the Florida Supreme Court. Indeed, from now on, nobody has to "actively" recount and determine the disputed ballots any more.

(The author is an attorney at the Boston law firm of Testa, Hurwitz & Thibeault, LLP.)
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 10:31 am
I'd say Krugman is on the money with both of those contentions, Max. That Iraqi mire is quagging today, and has been quagging for weeks.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 10:34 am
I was working outside just now, thinking about the campaign and the issues, and feeling frustrated by the fact that THE issue will probably be the economy when THE issue should be corruption and lying. Damn! I said aloud, and was answered by a bunch of crows who yelled "Ee-rack! ee-rack!"
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