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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 05:04 am
The dynamic of this race is so much self-fulfilling prophecy: gains yield more gains. Everybody likes a winner - and Edwards aint it, today.

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Edwards drew 300 people to a University of Toledo rally, three times fewer than a crowd that recently welcomed Kerry to the same venue. Drawing even smaller crowds in Dayton, Ohio, and Cleveland later Monday, Edwards seemed listless and indifferent, stumbling over signature lines in his stump speech. (MSNBC)
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 09:23 am
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kausfiles special Political commentary and more.



The Trouble With Kerry
Your one-stop center for doubts about JFK2.
Updated Monday, March 1, 2004, at 3:20 PM PT

As a Democrat, I have two big fears about John Kerry. The first is that he'll lose. The second is that he'll win. Let's take the second possibility first. One reason Kerry might lose, after all, is an inchoate public intuition that he would not be a successful president.

It isn't easy to be a successful president in the best of times. The Constitution intentionally establishes a stalemate machine, in which two houses of Congress and the White House have to agree in order for anything to get done. Even when one party controls all three power centers, it's hard to achieve dramatic reforms. In 1992, Clinton became president with Democrats in control of both the House and Senate. His top legislative priority was passage of a health care plan. He didn't get it. When one party controls Congress and another the White House--the likely situation in Kerry's first two years, at least--it's even harder to do big things.

Failed presidencies were almost considered the norm before Reagan and Clinton came along. Nothing in the system has really changed since then, except a) general partisan bitterness has gotten much, much worse; b) gerrymandering has made incumbent legislators harder to defeat and, therefore, more ideological and unpersuadable; and c) the easier national problems have, almost by definition, been addressed, leaving us with the most intractable dilemmas: paying for health care and the boomers' retirement, dealing with global environmental effects and immigration along with trade and the consequential disappearance of high-paying, low-skilled jobs, etc. Even the welfare mess, which had resisted solution for five decades, seems in retrospect a relatively simple problem--there, at least, the voters had made up their minds. (They wanted recipients to work!) With an unexceptional politician in office, the familiar Nixon-Ford-Carter pattern could well reassert itself: The president gets a handful of months after his or her inauguration to accomplish reforms of significance. Then he gets bogged down, turns to foreign policy, and eventually retires unceremoniously.

Kerry does bring several advantages to the job. Most obviously, if elected he should come into office owing less to the Democratic special interests groups than any postwar Democratic president--certainly less than some of his primary rivals. Unions? They endorsed Dean or Gephardt, and did so little for them one wonders when the press will stop depicting labor as a major player. Civil rights groups? Kerry once expressed some qualms about affirmative action--more on those later--which didn't endear him to the civil rights establishment. And it's not the black vote that has put him way out in front for the nomination. The senior lobby? Kerry once also made approving noises about "means-testing"--shaving the benefits of the affluent elderly, a notion that's anathema to AARP. Kerry is certainly unencumbered enough to embrace what Bruce Reed calls the "only ... winning formula in today's politics," namely being "better, and bigger, than his party.

I'll also concede the Conventional Wisdom that Kerry is a good hand in the seconds and minutes of a crisis--when bullets are actually flying, or bombers are on the way. It's only after the crisis subsides that he turns into a play-it-safe straddler! But I'm getting ahead of myself. There are at least four factors that suggest Kerry is more likely to be a failed president than a successful one: Unwillingness to take political risks is only #2.

1. Does he work well with others? The worry here isn't so much that Kerry is an untested executive--he's never run anything larger than his Senate office--but that the presidency requires more than mere executive competence. A CEO can give orders, but to make the Founding Fathers' balky triple-veto system work, a president has to cajole congressmen and construct complicated alliances. Is that something Kerry is likely to be good at--or is he more likely to be a Jimmy Carter-style president, aloof and resented even within his own party?

The hints in Kerry's senatorial résumé aren't encouraging. Legislating is an almost pathologically collaborative effort, and Kerry has been a conspicuous non-performer in the legislation department. Time magazine found exactly "three substantive bills passed with Kerry's name on them." Two of these "had to do with marine research and protecting fisheries." (The other was "designed to provide grants for women starting small businesses.") Kerry's record as a senator for two decades would be embarrassing were it not for his investigations into drug commerce and his initial digging into illegal aid for the Nicaraguan Contras.

Investigating, of course, is less of a collaborative effort than legislating. But being president seems more like legislating. It doesn't help that Kerry is not well-liked in Massachusetts ("We're all trying to put our arms around him," said one beefy Irish pol from Massachusetts at the Kerry victory party in Manchester, N.H.) or that he has broken his word when it's in his interest to do so--as when he broke a heralded spending-cap agreement with his GOP rival, William Weld, in the closing days of his 1996 race.

2. No visible political courage: The great question for Kerry biographers is how a man who showed bravery on the battlefield could demonstrate so little of it in his political life. Bill Clinton wasn't the boldest politician in the world, but he risked something by embracing teacher testing in Arkansas and an end to "welfare as we know it." And he stuck with those stands, trying to persuade the unpersuaded, until something came of them. Al Gore had the guts to break with his party and vote in favor of the first Gulf War--showing foresight and sound judgment that Kerry (and Clinton, for that matter) did not match.

Name an issue on which Kerry has taken this sort of career-threatening risk. True, he was an early supporter of the Reagan-era Gramm-Rudman-Hollings budget-balancing law. But since even Edward Kennedy supported Gramm-Rudman, there are limits to how many heresy points Kerry gets for it. Kerry's supporters occasionally offer his vote for welfare reform as evidence of courage--but supporting welfare reform wasn't a risky vote for a politician with national aspirations. It was the only safe vote. Nor was Kerry a significant presence in the welfare reform debate.

A more telling and troubling episode is Kerry's speech expressing doubts on affirmative action. The year was 1992, a time when Democrats could expect lots of favorable press for doing heretical things like expressing doubts about affirmative action. (Those were the days!) Kerry had announced a grand initiative on race, including "a promised series" of speeches, the first of which was delivered at Yale. Kerry's heresy was carefully cushioned, however. He felt the pain of whites resentful of reverse discrimination. He noted that "affirmative action has kept American thinking in racial terms." But for him these thoughts had no policy consequences--Kerry didn't call for an eventual phase-out of affirmative action, for example, or a shift to affirmative action based on class rather than race. He didn't want to end it, and he didn't want to mend it either. Instead, within a few paragraphs he safely reaffirmed his support. Then he backed off even his theoretical doubts after the first critical reaction (and after Bill Clinton had passed over him in choosing his running mate). The race initiative was shelved. (See also this site--search for "Yale.")

This is one reason the oft-told story of Kerry protesting the Vietnam War by throwing someone else's medals away resonates uncomfortably. Kerry wasn't willing to take the risk of parting with his own medals. They might come in handy some day! Even in his moment of maximum political bravado he was cautious.

3. Yep. No vision: Clinton developed his "Third Way" views over the course of decades. You could find them mushy or disagree with them but they were his own. What's Kerry's inspiring philosophy? If he had such a thing, one suspects, he wouldn't have campaigned by copying a CD-ROM of consultant Bob Shrum's old speeches into his hard drive. Even Shrum's shopworn memes--"I'll ... take on the powerful interests that stand in your way" etc.--don't really amount to a vision, as opposed to an attitude.

Perhaps Kerry can obtain a vision on the political black market in the months between now and the Democratic convention. But even if he does, will he be able to sell it? This brings us to ...

4. No fallback salesmanship: Successful modern presidents have one thing in common: a good pitch-man's basic rapport with mainstream voters. Reagan had it. Clinton had it. By this I mean that if Clinton or Reagan called the networks to cover an Oval Office speech, or if they addressed the Congress, the voters would at least give them a hearing--not necessarily buy what they were selling, but come to it with minds that were persuadable in a way that they had been persuaded before. That meant that when Reagan and Clinton got into trouble, as all presidents do--Reagan with Iran-Contra and Clinton with Monica--they were able to reboot, give some big speeches, and start to get out of trouble.

Sometimes a president's initial rapport with the public disappears--as Jimmy Carter's arguably had by the time of his "malaise" speech, or certainly by the end of his term. But Kerry would, I think, be in the uniquely precarious position of starting his term with no particular rapport. (Contrast with John Edwards--now there's a guy who could talk his way back from a 40 percent approval rating.)

I admit, I'm allergic to Kerry. Something in the vibration of that deep, pompous tone he adopts--the lugubrious, narcissistic fake gravity--grates on me. Others, bizarrely, say they don't have this problem. But few would argue that Kerry has formed a special bond with any large group of voters other than veterans. If he wins it's likely to be because voters see him as an acceptable alternative to an unacceptable incumbent, not because he's inspired them. It doesn't help that Kerry has a tendency to play the voters for fools--letting them think he's Irish (when he's not) or letting them think he's cleaner, in the campaign contribution department, than he really is (e.g., saying he takes no PAC money but accepting unlimited "soft money" contributions to his Citizen Soldier Fund).

Or letting them think he gave up his own medals. ....

All this means is that when President Kerry gets into trouble--when his first big proposals stall in Congress, when malaise or scandal arrives--he won't necessarily have the ability to go to the public and dig himself out. He'll be through, over.

Jimmy Carter took several years to reach that point. But Carter came into office as a highly effective salesman. It's not inconceivable, I think, that Kerry could turn into a Carter after several months. (Imagine his 1992 race initiative played out on a national stage.) In a parliamentary system, where a no-confidence vote can quickly produce a new government, this might not be such a disturbing prospect. But we have fixed presidential terms. Four years is a long time.


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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 10:05 am
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I admit, I'm allergic to Kerry. Something in the vibration of that deep, pompous tone he adopts--the lugubrious, narcissistic fake gravity--grates on me.


Heh, that was funny.

Seriously, Kaus' run-down of points 1 to 4 says it all, really. Good summary.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 11:05 am
nimh wrote:
It was this thread. Nobody won, it just got stupid. Being taken to task about ever smaller details as one after the other of them got ticked off. Yeh, a lot like what the presidential race will be like, if we're unlucky.

I dont have no old face, tho. <grins>


"Stupid" indeed, what with the bawling fits about being asked to *gasp* defend assumptions.

Toward the end it got really "stupid" with accusations of having arguments twisted and full-fledged tantrums thrown about being "baited" into defending one's own arguments.

nimh, if you want to throw the fits that's fine with me. I'll call them for what they are. Your sensitivity about having your position challenged is your issue, not the "stupidity" of people who have the audacity to challenge you. Rolling Eyes

Personally I'm tired of the fits when the discussion doesn't go your way and will do my best to avoid discussion with you in the future.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 03:52 pm
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 05:26 pm
nimh wrote:
Nobody won, it just got stupid. Being taken to task about ever smaller details as one after the other of them got ticked off. Yeh, a lot like what the presidential race will be like, if we're unlucky.


Craven de Kere wrote:
... bawling fits ... *gasp* ... full-fledged tantrums ... you want to throw the fits ... the fits when the discussion doesn't go your way ...


One thing you gotta give the guy ... he'll always double or quadruple the perceived insult ... No wonder stuff escalates <slaps himself for having been so stupid>
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 05:30 pm
RasmussenReports (them of the tracking poll) notes that "The race appears to be stabilizing just before the Bush team launches their first ad campaign of the season":

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For the past eight days, and 12 of the last 14, the President's support has ranged from 47% to 49%.

The numbers for the Senator from Massachusetts have also been steady. On eight of the past eleven days, Kerry's support has been measured at 45%. Once, he was at 44%, twice (including today) at 46%


I'll add that Kerry's been in the 43-47% range ever since Jan 29 actually, barring the one day. Kerry hasnt been in the lead since Feb 17. No reason to get overly optimistic yet (even if RR seems to be polling on the Bush-friendly side, overall).

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RasmussenR also confirms that the near-traditional last-minute Edwards surge doesnt seem to be happening this time, though: "The latest Rasmussen Reports tracking poll shows Kerry with 48% support compared to 30% for Edwards. Edwards has lost four points in three days."

Even more significant than the lack of any reported particular Edwards surge, however, must be the lack of any all too excited reporting on Super Tuesday, period. Apparently, most everyone has already closed the book on this race ... and if there's no sense of trepidation about a race, chances of people massively changing their mind at the last minute are zero, too.

Thats my prediction. But perhaps I'm just hedging my bets, cause my predictions have been so off the mark that who knows, if I only predict an Edwards rout loudly enough, he might pull of some unprobable stunt ;-)
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 05:41 pm
nimh wrote:

One thing you gotta give the guy ... he'll always double or quadruple the perceived insult ... No wonder stuff escalates <slaps himself for having been so stupid>


You operate under the misconception that you are an innocent party who did not both initiate 'escalation' today as well as continue to do so with the above remark attempting to blame me for "escalation" that you chose to initiate.

You decided to characterize it as "stupid" questioning of details. I choose instead to characterize your acts as a hyper-sensitive tantrum that you have decided to continue today. <shrugs>
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 06:01 pm
(I'm sorry for bringing it up again...)

Howard Dean wins Vermont! (on CNN now...)
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 06:03 pm
Good evening, nimh, on Super Tuesday. I may be wrong but I suspect that tonight will wrap it up for Mr Kerry. Mr Edwards may stagger forward through next week's primaries in the South but he has been beaten.
Nimh will be sad about that. You don't like Mr Kerry. To tell the truth, johnboy isn't real enthusiastic about him either, but I'm a liberal Dem and I will never vote for a Repub.
Nimh and Craven seem to be engaged in a school-yard brawl. Amusing.
Watch Ohio, tonight. -rjb-
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 06:03 pm
Ah, Dean got some sympathy votes...
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 06:31 pm
CNN: Ohio goes to Kerry
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 06:36 pm
Another pointed contrast with previous primaries ... in battleground state Ohio, Cleveland's Plain Dealer "threw its support behind Kerry on Monday", and how:

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"The conventional wisdom is true: Edwards is warmer, more charming," the paper wrote. "If you were organizing a back-yard barbecue, you'd call Edwards first. He speaks eloquently of those left behind even when the economy was roaring. But he strikes us as a work in progress. He calls for bold solutions, but offers few." (link)


And no less emphatically (or hip to the beat of genius soundbite), Maryland's largest newspaper, the Baltimore Sun, endorsed Kerry:

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It conceded that Edwards is more charismatic personally but said the four-term senator from Massachusetts was "a far better choice ... because he offers more of just about everything else Americans want in a president." As for Edwards, the newspaper said "the Oval Office is no place for a novice."' (link)


What did Edwards get, this time? The student newspapers ...

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College journalists stepped into the national political fray this week as several large university newspapers in Super Tuesday states endorsed Kerry or Edwards.

The Columbia Daily Spectator at Columbia University, New York: Edwards. "We strongly believe that John Edwards' unique combination of message, character and personal history makes him the most qualified candidate in the field."

The Daily Californian at the University of California, Berkeley, Calif.: Edwards. "For his commitment to working families and his ability to reach out to voters across the country, Sen. John Edwards has earned our support in this primary." (link)
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 07:04 pm
CNN: Mass, Conn and Maryland to Kerry in big numbers. Mr Edwards will bow out tonight. Do y'all think so?
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 07:04 pm
Talking of primaries ...

I saw this useful little overview of the various races and ballot initiatives at stake apart from the Dem presidential contenders in today's elections ...

One that struck me was this one, in California:

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Recall election -- A new prosecutor fighting big timber in California redwood country faced a tough recall race. Humboldt County District Attorney Paul Gallegos sued Pacific Lumber, claiming it submitted fraudulent environmental impact data that enabled the company to reap millions in profits. The recall campaign was funded by Pacific Lumber.


Someone remind me how that one went, when the numbers have come in? Thanks ...
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 07:37 pm
Yeah, I think so, rjb. What has he got to win by continuing?

Now he looks like, all in all, he fought a good race even if in the end he didnt match up ... and he still looks like a worthy candidate for the VP spot (tho I doubt Kerry will give it to him).

If he fights on, the odds are that he'll even lose all those southern states, based on Kerry's momentum from this - and he'll look all the worse.

So imho he should bow out, anyway ...
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 07:50 pm
Edwards Out

Bush Gracious

Now it begins.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 02:31 pm
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Kerry wins endorsement from Hillary Clinton


March 3, 2004, 1:09 AM EST


NEW YORK (AP) _ Senator Hillary Clinton gave Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry her endorsement Tuesday, as the Massachusetts senator rode his way to a sweeping victory in several Democratic primaries.

"This is going to be a year, I believe, for Senator Kerry who will be our nominee and I will do everything I can to get him elected. So I hope that next year we will have a Democrat in the White House," she told Japan's Nippon Television Network Corporation.

Kerry has all but sealed the Democratic nomination in the Super Tuesday primaries by winning nine of ten states including New York and driving his rival John Edwards from the race.

NTV said it was the first time that Clinton had openly declared her support for a candidate. She declined to speculate on who might be selected to be his vice presidential running mate.

The interview was conducted at Clinton's Washington, D.C. office on Tuesday and broadcast Wednesday morning in Japan.


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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 02:41 pm
Way to take a chance Hildabeast! Wait until someone has the delegates needed and then give your support for that candidate!!!!! What a brilliant, insightful politician she is!
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 02:48 pm
He is praying to the UN that Gore doesn't endorse him, even now!
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