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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 06:19 pm
PDid, Jumping the gun is folly; especially in politics. blatham brings up a good point about the young generation getting involved with Dean's campaign. That's a positive most people miss - both young and old.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 06:29 pm
Quote of the day:

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In recent weeks, it's been hard to watch John Edwards on the campaign trail without feeling so hopeful, optimistic, and uplifted that you want to puke.


<giggles>
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 07:19 pm
nimh wrote:
Eh, funny PD. But - Independents could vote in the NH Republican primaries, too, no - even ones that registered as such on the very day of the elections, did I get that right? So that could just have been a deliberate bit of Independent trolling ...


There really wasn't any conceivable reason for an Independent in NH to write in a Democrat on a Republican ballot when he could simply vote in the Democratic primary...

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Under New Hampshire law, only Democrats and independents were permitted to participate in Tuesday's Democratic presidential primary. That meant that Republicans who wanted to register their opposition to Bush had to do so in their own party's primary. A remarkable number of them did just that.

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US Senator John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, who won the Democratic primary, came in second to Bush in the Republican contest, winning 3,009 votes. Kerry's name was written in on almost 5 percent of all GOP ballots. Who were these Republican renegades for Kerry? People like 61-year-old retired teacher David Anderson. A Vietnam veteran, Anderson told New Hampshire's Concord Monitor that he wrote in Kerry's name because the senator, also a veteran, understands the folly of carrying on a failed war. "I feel a commander, the president of the United States, ought to be a veteran," explained Anderson, who says his top priority is getting US troops out of Iraq.


Go read the whole thing.

Warms my heart and chills Karl Rove's. Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 07:54 pm
PDiddie wrote:
There really wasn't any conceivable reason for an Independent in NH to write in a Democrat on a Republican ballot when he could simply vote in the Democratic primary...


Well, the reason would be, for an anti-Bush-minded Independent, to create stories like these ... <grins>

But nebbermind, I read your article and it sounds convincing. It was the political geography of it - up to 37% of Republicans rejecting Bush in a historically moderate bastion - that convinced me. Cool.

Meanwhile ... a new poll Very Happy

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American Research Group Poll. Jan. 27-29, 2004. N=768 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.5 (total sample).

"What if the election for president were being held between George W. Bush, the Republican, and John Kerry, the Democrat, for whom would you vote: Bush or Kerry?" Names rotated

ALL
George W. Bush 46%
John Kerry 47%

Unsure 7%

Republicans
George W. Bush 89%
John Kerry 3%
Unsure 8%

Democrats
George W. Bush 12%
John Kerry 81%
Unsure 7%

Independents
George W. Bush 39%
John Kerry 55%

Unsure 6%
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 08:31 pm
Make that 56% for Kerry. I'm also an Independent. LOL
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 08:40 pm
Huh - there need to be eight of you to make 1% in that poll! Razz
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 08:57 pm
nimh, I know. But a guy can try, can't he? he, he, he....
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 09:15 pm
Well, you might of course just have been the eighth ... ;-)
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 09:36 pm
CBS has Edwards way out front in SC -- completely the opposite of the one-point affair Zogby claims:

Edwards 30%
Kerry 18%
Clark 11%
Sharpton 11%
Dean 10%
Lieberman 3%
Don't know 16%
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2004 02:36 pm
PDiddie wrote:
There really wasn't any conceivable reason for an Independent in NH to write in a Democrat on a Republican ballot when he could simply vote in the Democratic primary... [..]

Go read the whole thing.

Warms my heart and chills Karl Rove's. Laughing


Hate to rain on your parade after all ...

Kausfiles quotes the explanation USA Today suggested - "it was "Democrats who voted in the Republican primary in the last election, drawn by John McCain, only to find themselves automatically registered as Republicans this time", that did it.

Plus, several people e-mailed him to point out that, back in 1984, Ronald Reagan also only got 86% in New Hampshire - with 5,3% casting a write-in vote for Gary Hart in the Republican primaries.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2004 03:33 am
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2004 09:11 am
I would surmise Dean's campaign team coulda used a little less enthusiasm and a whole lot more experience. The financial straights into which Dean's effort has fallen pretty much confirm the kids were the Junior Varsity team ... years away from Pro Championship calibre. To quote Richard Petty (who was prolly quoting someone else), "Youth and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery" Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2004 02:35 pm
Yet another poll puts Kerry ahead of Bush ...

http://www.pollingreport.com/images/NWKgenl.GIF
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2004 03:10 pm
Isn't it interesting that Bush is promising to cut the national debt in half by 2009 - after he's long gone. I think most repubs will miss this glaring pronouncement.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2004 03:28 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Isn't it interesting that Bush is promising to cut the national debt in half by 2009 - after he's long gone. I think most repubs will miss this glaring pronouncement.

The debt? Are you sure that shouldn't be "the deficit"?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2004 08:12 pm
The latest from Zogby, where he is now pushing leaners hard. Wish I knew how to line up the numbers better; I included the last the three days'worth of tracking to illustrate the trends:

Arizona

1/30-2/1 1/29-30 1/28-29
Kerry 40 36 36
Clark 27 24 20
Dean 13 14 12
Other 13 13 18
Undecided 5 15 18

Missouri

1/30-2/1 1/29-30 1/28-29
Kerry 50 43 46
Edwards 15 14 13
Dean 9 8 8
Other 11 9 10
Undecided 11 22 21

Oklahoma

1/30-2/1 1/29-30 1/28-29
Clark 28 23 25
Kerry 27 25 22
Edwards 19 16 16
Lieb 7 6 6
Dean 6 6 8
Other 2 2 2
Undecided 12 22 21

South Carolina

1/30-2/1 1/29-30 1/28-29
Edwards 30 24 26
Kerry 25 23 22
Clark 10 8 8
Dean 10 8 9
Sharpton 7 7 6
Other 7 5 4
Undecided 9 23 22

Oklahoma may very well be the most exciting contest of the night; it holds the continuation of Clark's campaign in its result.

New Mexico has swung to Senator Kerry in a big way over the weekend. I believe Edwards may hold on to a victory in South Carolina. Should General Clark drop the Sooner State, he should perhaps drop out. Joementum needs to fold his tent and take it to the house. Congressman Kucinich and Reverend Sharpton could conceivably be Kerry's and Edwards' last remaining debating partners by the end of the week.

Zogby scenarios:

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"If Kerry wins all four states, you don't need me to tell you what it means. But if Edwards wins in South Carolina and polls strongly enough to win delegates in Missouri and Oklahoma, he has some significant regional strength and can certainly make a case to go on. If Clark wins Oklahoma and comes in a strong second in Arizona, he also can move on -- but it is hard to see where. Dean has already conceded these four states, but winning some delegates in one or two states can help his cause in both Michigan and Wisconsin (voting 2/7)"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2004 08:27 pm
Thomas, You're right! It's the deficit.
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fishin
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2004 08:29 pm
Kerry's numbers in both SC and AZ seem high but who knows. I would have expected Edwards to have higher numbers in OK and MO too.

Well, it'll all be sorted out by this time tomorrow night.

Anyone want to post predictions for who will be out of the race by the weekend? I think Smokin' Joe will be gone by Thursday. He's gotta see the handwriting on the wall. Kucinich has got to throw in the towel too. I figure Dean will wait and see how he does in MI and Sharpton is gonna ride this all the way to the convention.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2004 08:31 pm
Yes, tomorrow is the big day for many - not only for the candidates, but for the "real" (American) People.
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unknown man
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2004 08:34 pm
I can't wait until the day after. I'm just ichin to find out who will win. Who ever wins the majority, is going to get one hell of a bost.
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