2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

Everything goes to excess on the distant horizon if one makes only linear projections. Fortunately the world doesn't work that way and there are at least some who understand that.

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That's what I'm eluding to with Kerry, Bill. Kerry's financial proclivities aren't any better than what we got.

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timberlandko wrote:

And Clark gets Drudged this morning, too:

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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED JAN 15, 2004 11:28:25 ET XXXXX

WES CLARK MADE CASE FOR IRAQ WAR BEFORE CONGRESS; TRANSCRIPT REVEALED

As good an example as any of why one shouldn't rely on Drudge ... it's called dirty tactics.

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The full transcript reveals positions far more nuanced than the excerpts released by the Republicans.

One example cited by Mr. Gillespie, from General Clark's testimony before the House Armed Services Committee on Sept. 26, 2002, quoted him as saying "there's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat."

That was the first sentence, however, of an 1,800-word statement in which General Clark argued for more diplomacy before any military action, saying "time is on our side."

In another instance Mr. Gillespie cited, the general said: "I do believe that the United States diplomacy in the United Nations will be strengthened if the Congress can adopt a resolution expressing U.S. determination to act if the United Nations cannot act. The use of force must remain a U.S. option under active consideration."

The next sentence, which was not included by Mr. Gillespie, read: "Such a resolution need not, at this point, authorize the use of force."

Source (NYT)

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Kerry leads Dean. Gep and Edwards, closing in. Dean has finally begun the downward spiral. (He had on a sweater today...hee--"softening" his meanie image...)

Will the Deanies get behind Kerry? How will they disperse?

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No argument with your assessment of Drudge, nimh, a sleazy tabloid is a sleazy tabloid. Dirty tricks are his stock in trade. Yellow would be a fitting background color for the website he passes off as journalism. He's at it again tonight:

Kerry gets a Drudging

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Kerry: "Get Rid Of The Agrigulture Department"
**Exclusive** In 1996 Senator John Kerry proposed to "get rid of the Agriculture Department," the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal. A move -- that if successful -- would have likely resulted in cuts of subsidies and programs for Iowa growers. "I think we can reduce the size of Washington," Kerry said on January 6, 1996. "Get rid of the Energy Department. Get rid of the Agriculture Department, or at least render it three-quarters the size it is today; there are more agriculture bureaucrats than there are farmers in this country"...

This would be expected to have an impact on Kerry's standing in the overnight tracking polls, should it be picked up by the mainstream media. The nastiness is underway, the seesawing is sure to ensue. Gotta wonder who tipped Drudge to this; was it Clark's or Dean's henchmen? If anyone benefits in Iowa from this, likely it will be Gephardt ... lots of possibilities. Its only going to get sillier over the weekend.

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Somehow, I think if Bush threatened to throw off reporters it would have started an avalanche of Op Eds and soliloquies about freedom of the press and the public's right to know... Where is the indignation?

I think we've settled the Hot Head Sweepstakes: One thing Dean can win. Smile

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Some Guy On The Street interviews--Who's voting for who, and why.

It's a nutty melee.

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Dean Spokewoman Drudges Kerry
Dean spokeswoman Tricia Enright said the Kerry quotes should alarm Iowans. "Teachers and farmers in Iowa will be disappointed to hear that Senator Kerry wanted to dismantle the Department of Agriculture and gut the Department of Education," Enright said. "That's not the kind of change that Iowans are looking for"...

A nutty melee indeed, and the real fun is yet to come. The Agriculture Department remark has receives mention on Fox (of course), MSNBC, and CNN, while two of the local (well, Minneapolis) stations have had "Kerry Bombshell ... details at Ten" teasers that I've noticed. Its getting lots of play on the 'net, too. If its in the morning papers, its big. If not, it fades. We'll see. Whatever happens, it would appear Clark played wisely by sitting out the Iowa hand. Someone is going to comer out of there clear loser, and it won't be him. Lieberman won't get hurt either ... his best play also was to not play. Now it remains to be seen how long either can stay in the game. The big winners are the TV Stations, even though, as Bob Lowry, Iowa State University - Ames PoliSci Prof observes;

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"When you consider the number of people who show up for the caucuses, they're spending an awful lot of money, and it's for the symbolic value," said Lowry. "Winning Iowa's delegates isn't that big a deal -- it's what it means for the media."

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And now the Hubble is going because this incredibly under-educated and self-centered ass you have as President wants to pretend he has a vision.

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blatham, His "vision" seems to be working, because the majority of Americans support him. I gave up on the next election, because the dems have done themselves more harm than good, and their inside fighting accomplished nothing but a easy win for GWBush. It's time like these when I wish there was a strong third party.

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Bush doesn't have vison, he has hallucination.

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blatham wrote:

And now the Hubble is going because this incredibly under-educated and self-centered ass you have as President wants to pretend he has a vision.

Well he is as well or better educated than any of the Democrat candidates.

The discontinuation of support for the Hubble satellite is an unfortunate consequence of the accumulated defects in the Shuttle vehicle, and a prudent decision to end its use. There is no reasonably available vehicle program decision that provided an alternative - even if we didnt want to start a Mars mission. A moon base will also enable far superior telescopic observation of the near universe, and at much lower incremental cost, than the Hubble provides.

I think you have set your threshold of indignation a bit too low on this question old friend.

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georgeob1 wrote:

A moon base will also enable far superior telescopic observation of the near universe, and at much lower incremental cost, than the Hubble provides.

You think, this will be possible when? In 2012, as US-American scientists hope, or later?

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Hard to tell. It would also take a very long time to design a vehicle to replace the shuttle. My point is that there are no sensible alternatives available that will save the Hubble.

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hobitbob wrote:

Bush doesn't have vison, he has hallucination.

What are your criteria for an acceptable president?

Which of the current Democratic candidates best meet those criteria?

Do you prefer some one not currently a candidate?

If so, whom do you prefer?

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Sofia, The only meaningful message from your link to the dems is "SHAPE UP!"

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So, can we make a little game of this? You have until Monday, 1/19 at high noon (EST US), to predict the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers in Iowa.
No long explanation is necessary or desired. Simply state your prediction:
#1 =
#2 =
#3 =
The winner gets no prize. Sorry about that.

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Kerry, Dean, Gephardt

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The Weekend Edition of The Des Moines Register shows Kerry at 26%, Edwards at 23%, Dean at 20%, Gephardt at 18%, and Kucinich at 3%, results are as of Friday evening. What strikes me most in this poll is Edwards' upsurge. I think, at the moment, Dean and Gephardt both are in for disappointment. That won't do significant damage to Dean, but it could prover terminal for Gephardt.

Just for the heck of it, I'm going a little against The Des Moines Register:

1) Kerry
2) Edwards
3) Gephardt

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The MSNBC/Reuters Zogby poll conducted from 1/14-1/16...
Kerry: 22.6%
Dean: 22.1%
Gephardt: 19.1%
Edwards: 17.9%

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