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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 01:13 pm
The latest ARG New Hampshire Tracking poll shows Dean still quite strong, at 29%, and observes

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Beyond Ballot Preference - January 15, 2004
There are three important points to be aware of when reviewing today's tracking. First, Howard Dean's core support remains around 30%. His strongest supporters have not wavered while soft supporters have left him. Second, when the 15% undecided in the ballot is included, about 45% of likely Democratic primary voters are not firmly committed to any candidate. And third, Wesley Clark has not been the only beneficiary of the shift from Howard Dean that began over the weekend. John Kerry and John Edwards have also benefited as some women continue to have concerns about Clark. Both Clark and Kerry have picked up 5 percentage points since Sunday, with Clark going from 19% to 24% in the ballot preference and Kerry going from 10% to 15% in the ballot preference. Edwards is up 2 percentage points from Sunday, going from 3% to 5%.

Clark has not jumped in front of Dean because Clark, Kerry, and Edwards have split the vote that has moved away from Dean. If the race remains competitive below Dean and Dean is able to maintain his core level of support, it becomes difficult for any of the other candidates to pass Dean.

The race remains unsettled because likely Democratic primary voters tell us that they want - and would switch to - a candidate they believe can defeat George W. Bush. They are still looking for the candidate who makes the most convincing argument for victory in November.


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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 01:24 pm
http://www.pollingreport.com/images/IAzogby.GIF
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 02:04 pm
http://www.tnr.com/graphics2004.1/011404blog_campaignjournallarge.jpg
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 02:12 pm
Those stories are pretty lame, Timber and fishin. If that's the best the Republicans can do, we're sittin pretty.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 02:32 pm
lol Has nothing to do with what Republicans can or can't do there Lola. This is all Dems eating their own. Feeling a little vulnerable are ya? Wink
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 02:49 pm
I mentioned I thought the Trooper Story would go nowhere, Lola. Jump over to PollingReport.com for a synopsis of where The Democrats sit Vs Bush, what The Nation Thinks of The Bush Administration, and of the way things are Going in general. Even your old freind Cheney is well received by the Public-at-Large.

If The Opposition thinks its "Sitting Pretty", The Current Administration has plenty of time to work on its golf game. As fishin' mentioned, all the damage done to Democrats so far has been done by Democrats themselves. The elections are a long way off, but in order for a swing in opinion, and in voter attitude, to occur, an awful lot of things have to go very wrong very soon. There's always the possibility of a "Stunning Upset", of course, but the very rarity of such critters is what makes them stunning upsets; they ain't real likely to happen. My only real worry is complacency on the part of The Republicans. They really must treat this as though it were a real contest, lest it become one. They shouldn't count on The Democrats to engineer another 1972 all by themselves. I do take comfort in the thought The Republicans really have not yet begun to fight, and I imagine that when they start campaigning back in earnest, the polling results will tip even further in their favor, all the way through the election. At this point, there is little point to a Republican counter-offensive. When it becomes clear who the prime Democrat Target will be, the guns will begin to roar. You guys ain't seen nothin', yet. :wink:
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 03:01 pm
timberlandko wrote:
The elections are a long way off, but in order for a swing in opinion, and in voter attitude, to occur, an awful lot of things have to go very wrong very soon.


I can't say I agree with it, but along the same lines, this quip did make me grin:

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American Prospect editor Michael Tomasky writes in the current issue: "[..] insiders might do better to spend some time thinking about how [Dean] might win."

Okay, I thought about it. They all involve Bush accidentally nuking a major American city.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 04:02 pm
Laughing
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 08:13 pm
The collection of Democrat candidates is a rather sorry lot. Dean seems most likely to win at this point, however one cannot exclude the possibility of a Kerry. Lieberman, or Edwards victory.

Clark is a modern version of the Manchurian candidate. He is a creature of the Clintons, and his programmed role is to make a prime time nominating speech for Hillary at the convention in the unlikely event that Bush stumbles badly between now and then.

The only remaining question is will the Democrat's defeat be total as with McGovern, or overwhelming, as with Mondale and Dukakis.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 08:23 pm
I don't think Lieberman has any chance.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 08:26 pm
yeah, well..........put up yer dukes there, guys. We'll see who's the toughest. My candidate can beat your candidate any day. We shall see.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 09:34 pm
Lieberman: the Republican candidate for the Democratic nomination. Rolling Eyes
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 08:14 am
I think Joe is the most electable of the bunch but the Dem party seems to want to drive more to the left so he won't get nominated.

But that may just be my perception given Dean has been the front runner with his base being angry lefties.

I'm always impressed with Joe's attitude and politeness.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 08:29 am
Can Kerry pull a Seabiscuit?

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Poll: Kerry Opens a Lead in Tight Iowa Race
Fri January 16, 2004 07:00 AM ET

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender John Kerry opened a five-point lead on three tightly bunched rivals in Iowa three days before the state's caucuses, according to a Reuters/MSNBC/Zogby poll released on Friday.

In the latest three-day tracking poll, Kerry gained two percentage points to 24 percent, with Howard Dean and Richard Gephardt each dropping two points to 19 percent and John Edwards holding steady at 17 percent.

All four contenders were within the poll's margin of error of 4.5 percent, setting up a tight dash to the finish in Monday's caucuses, the first Democratic nominating contest.

"Any one of the four can win this one," pollster John Zogby said. With Iowa voters taking a final look at candidates and trying to make a choice, 13 percent of likely caucus-goers are still undecided.

The rolling poll of 503 likely caucus-goers was taken Tuesday through Thursday and will continue each day until Monday's caucuses.

Dean and Gephardt have battled back and forth for months for the top spot in polls in Iowa, but the late charges by Edwards and Kerry have scrambled the Democratic picture.

Kerry, the Massachusetts senator, leads among Democrats, young and old voters, men and women, liberals and moderates, and those who say they are "definitely" voting in Monday's caucuses, Zogby said.

"The issue will be, as it always is, turnout," Zogby said. "Gephardt has arguably the best team on the ground."

The polling was conducted as the leading candidates for the right to challenge President Bush in November exchanged an escalating series of attacks over their positions on the war in Iraq, trade, Medicare and Social Security.

Dean, the former Vermont governor, still holds a shrinking lead over retired Gen. Wesley Clark in polls in New Hampshire, which has a Jan. 27 primary one week after Iowa. Gephardt, the congressman from neighboring Missouri who won Iowa during his first presidential bid in 1988, needs to win to remain viable in the race.

For Edwards, who struggled late last year to get his campaign off the ground but has surged this month by refraining from attacking his opponents, even a third-place finish would be a tremendous boost.

Clark and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich were at 3 percent, with Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman at 1 percent and former civil rights activist Al Sharpton at less than 1 percent.

Clark and Lieberman are not competing in Iowa.

Polling in Iowa is complicated by the unique nature of the caucus system, which requires participants to leave their homes on a typically bitter cold night and gather with neighbors before publicly declaring their support for a candidate.

© Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved.



Coupla fearless predictions here ... the polling positions will seesaw between now and Monday, and there will be startling, if not viscious, "revelations" popping into the headlines regarding various contenders. It has certainly become a contest, much to the surprise of most. Perhaps further complicating things, the weather Monday throughout most of Iowa is supposed to be relatively mild for the season, which likely will boost participation.

Mostly, IMO, what Iowa will do is put much more pressure on Clark and Lieberman to perform above expectation in NH the following week in order to maintain credibility for their causes. We can expect energetic acrobatics from both. Though its silly to call an Iowa winner at the moment, it does appear Dean and Gephardt may be facing relative disappointment,given the former's previous standing and the latter's desperate need for a strong showing, while Kerry will emerge re-energized and proceed into NH with much-needed momentum.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 08:30 am
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The collection of Democrat candidates is a rather sorry lot.


Good god, george! Who on earth are you comparing them to? Surely not that Einstein with the cocaine burns up his sinuses who's presently pretending the throne.

Watch now as the shuttle doors open and out strides Bush in an astronaut suit.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 08:55 am
I'm sorry George, I can't open the pod-bay doors;
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 08:59 am
Maybe Kerry can mortgage the other half of his estate and finally make it in, really sound decisions huh.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 09:05 am
dys

Absolutely hilarious!!!
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 09:19 am
I would say the current Democrat candidates are a sorry lot, even by their own historical standards. Cute reference to the photo op, but neither unique nor based on fact. Heard a liberal commentator on the radio on my way to work this AM suggesting Carol Mosely Braun would be a good running mate for Howard Dean. If this isn't an example of drinking your own bathwater, I don't know what is.

The #1 question for the 2004 political season is the eventual margin of the Republican victory.

Bill Clinton's book will come out in June or July, just in time to displace the Democrat candidate from the public mind. Meanwhile Clark rehearses his nominating speech for Hillary, just in case Bush stumbles badly in the next few months - a prospect that looks less and less likely every day.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 09:27 am
No one is as sorry as what is in office - there has been a mortgaging of our children and there children's children's children's for as far into the future as can be seen - in just 3 short years.

That alone makes the creepy guy expendible by any right thinking American -

And this is just one of the evils...........
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