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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jan, 2004 07:54 pm
Compliments, by the way, for Scrat's amazing politeness in the midst of the heated deate ... man, do I wish I could live up to that standard always.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jan, 2004 10:23 pm
nimh wrote:
Compliments, by the way, for Scrat's amazing politeness in the midst of the heated deate ... man, do I wish I could live up to that standard always.

nimh - Thanks for the kind words. Of course, I'm the first to admit that I'm not always a saint in my behavior here, but it is nice to have someone notice when I'm trying. Cool
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jan, 2004 02:40 pm
fishin' wrote:
Now how did that sneak in there? Very Happy


Why, that's the most important date on the calendar...

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After reading and hearing "unelectable" for weeks and months, insiders who want to be quoted know what they must say. A top Democratic consultant describes the leading candidate as almost fatally gaffe-prone when responding to negative stories. "It's not so much the thing he did that was so bad," the consultant explains, "but how he handles it, and people remember how he handles it." Another top Democratic consultant concurs gloomily: "The doubts already exist and they're becoming harder to dispel."

And a third top Democratic consultant hints that disaster is looming: "The negatives are forming on him like a political stalactite, drop by drop. The halls of Congress are filled with Democrats wringing their hands over their prospective nominee."

The former Democratic Mayor of New York describes his party's leading candidate as "so flawed" that he has "no possibility of … defeating President Bush."


They must be talking about Howard Dean.

Actually, all those remarks were uttered about Bill Clinton in the spring of 1992...


Gloomy Predictions Sound Very Unfamiliar
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 06:19 pm
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PARADISE LOST
Has the Dean Campaign Reached Its Upper Limit of Support?

by Sandeep Kaushik

[..] But exactly how big is the Dean blaze? That is the crucial question for Democrats desperate to unseat Bush. Trippi's imagery of a Dean conflagration notwithstanding, the fourth-quarter hard numbers are worrisome. When is a record $15 million fundraising total, and an army of 550,000 identified supporters, a disappointment? Answer: When it's juxtaposed against web guru Trippi's promise that harnessing the Internet would facilitate near exponential growth in Dean's support base, enabling it to pose a realistic organizational and fundraising threat to the Bush juggernaut.

In early 2003, starting from near zero, Trippi insanely promised 150,000 supporters by June 30. He delivered 159,000. Then he insanely promised 450,000 by September's end--and delivered that too. So when he predicted 900,000 devoted supporters by the end of the year, and 2,000,000 by the November election, it seemed not just plausible but inevitable. When he said that each supporter might reasonably donate $100 to the campaign--producing $200 million to match the $200 million flooding Bush's coffers--and when Dean opted out of the public financing system in a show of fundraising faith, it seemed like Trippi was onto something. And when he added that Dean's mushrooming grassroots base proved him the most electable Dem, who then could contradict him?

But now, premonitions of trouble. This quarter the number of Deaniacs began to plateau, up a mere 100,000; it was supposed to balloon more than three times that. And the money total was only a fraction more than the $14.8 million Dean raised in the fall. At this pace there will be no $200 million in the Dean arsenal--or even half that much. Most ominously, the number of Dean contributors actually fell, from 168,533 to 146,697. Might the grassroots' fervor be slipping? Could the Dean campaign be reaching its upper limit of support? Are the number of anti-Bush anti-warriors simply too few?

[..] Of course, we won't know that until after the nomination is decided, probably in Dean's favor. Trippi (correctly) asserts the Beltway punditocracy has underestimated the Dean campaign at every turn. Trippi and Dean spent the last year consistently confounding such critics, pulling rabbits out of hats with routine regularity. They may do so again this election year. Trippi still seems sure the campaign will reach its goal of two million check-writing volunteers. Dems should pray that his magic act is not an illusion, because otherwise Dean--and the Democrats--are doomed.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 06:39 pm
American Research Group, Inc.: The New Hampshire Poll

2004 New Hampshire Democratic Tracking
http://americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/demtrack/

Interesting new development. They track by the few days - and there's been a significant change in the past week or so.

On Jan 2-4, in NH, Dean led w/ 39%, Undecided 17%, Kerry 14%, Clark 12%, Gephardt and Lieberman 6% each.

Five days later, Dean's got 35% (-4), Clark 21% (+9), Undecided still 17%, Kerry 10% (-4), Lieberman 8% (+2), Gephardt 4% (-2)

In the week before, no such changes occurred, apart from Kerry's implosion (down from 19%).

Those who state themselves as "undecided" have a more favourable opinion of Lieberman and Kerry than of Dean (Clark not mentioned).

Also notable: Kerry and Lieberman supporters more often have an unfavourable than a favourable opinion of Dean. (That sounds like "duh", but doesnt bode well for mobilising each others' voters in the general elections). More surprisingly, this is much stronger so in the former case: of those saying they will vote for Kerry, "17% have a favorable opinion of Dean and 75% have an unfavorable opinion of Dean".

Interestingly - especially with all the talk of how Deanies won't join another candidates GE campaign - the rancour is not mutual. Dean voters are divided equally on Lieberman (36% +, 39% -), and overall have a favourable opinion of Kerry (42% +, 25% -).
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 06:45 pm
From the lst week's punditry, articles and interviews, I am convinced a strong, calculated Against Dean movement, which has laid waiting--has sprung in to action.

I think those who said it before were correct: Clark was planted.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 06:48 pm
I agree with the big haired woman from the cousin marrying state! Very Happy
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 06:53 pm
Who is from New Jersey?

Hobit-- Sometimes the biased slurs roll off-- Today, I am thinking of giving the Professor a lesson...

I don't need to know the ethnicity, country of origin, religion (or lack of) of A2K members. I like to take them solely by their words. I don't deal bias toward members, but I am getting in-coming from you.

I don't appreciate it. Continue, and I will respond in kind.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 07:01 pm
do you say that as someone who's lived for so long among the moustachioed men in the donkey-loving countries, Bob?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 07:03 pm
Portugal?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 07:05 pm
I was thinking Pakistan, myself, Nimh! Wink
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 07:06 pm
Although now that you mention it, it sort of sounds like Bawl'mer (especially if you've ever seen the women!).
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 07:09 pm
Men in Portugal have moustaches, Dys?

Huh - live & learn ;-)
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 07:10 pm
Only the verra verra handsome ones!
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 09:14 am
Lots of interesting Iowa developments:

-- the Des Moines Register endorses Edwards;

-- The Quad-City Times in Davenport, the Iowa City Press-Citizen and the Hawk Eye in Burlington endorse Kerry;

-- and latest poll shows tightening:

LA Times, 3629 Iowans including 604 likely caucus-goers, 1/5-8, MoE +/-4

Dean 30
Gephardt 23
Kerry 18
Edwards 11
Clark 4
Kucinich 3
Lieberman 2
Braun and Sharpton <1
Don't know 9
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 10:17 am
MSNBC/Reuters Zogby poll 1/8-10has the race netween Dean and Gephardt within the margin of error (+/- 4.5):

Dean 25%
Gephardt 23%
Kerry 15%
Edwards 14%
Lieberman 3%
Clark 3%
Kucinich 2%
Sharpton 1%
Braun 1%
Undecided 14%

This sample is 500 likely caucus-goers, smaller than the LA Times poll, and is post-Harkin and post-Dean's comments.

I still think it's as tight as a tick and as fluid as mercury.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 12:21 pm
PDid, The race between Dean and Gephardt doesn't mean anything, because those arrows that most were aiming at Dean finished the democratic party. It was a mortal wound, and they are just dead men walking.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 06:28 pm
Gosh, there's a harshness in your posts of late, c.i. ...

Another candidate debate (the last one before the Iowa caucuses) begins in about half an hour (at 7 p.m. Central) on MSNBC.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 06:31 pm
I'm waiting for 60 Minutes....boy, am I.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 06:42 pm
Quote:
Poll: Hispanics show more support for Bush
More than half think the president is doing a good job


By Will Lester
The Associated Press
Updated: 5:01 p.m. ET Jan. 08, 2004

WASHINGTON - President Bush starts this election year in a relatively strong position among Hispanics, who reacted favorably to the capture of Saddam Hussein, according to poll results released Thursday.

More than half, 54 percent, in the poll done for the Pew Hispanic Center in early January, said they think the president is doing a good job.

Almost four in 10, 37 percent, said they would like to see President Bush re-elected. Less than half in the poll, 47 percent, said they would prefer that a Democratic candidate win the election.

Those results are significantly better for Bush than in a poll taken by the same group right before the capture of Saddam. [..]

The January poll was taken just before Bush proposed a plan that could brighten his election-year prospects with Hispanic voters, a fast-growing part of the electorate. Bush on Wednesday proposed granting legal status — at least temporarily — for millions of illegal immigrants working in the United States. [..]

Pollster Sergio Bendixen said the level of support for Bush’s re-election should not be overemphasized since the poll was of Hispanic adults, not Hispanic voters. But he said the level of support from Hispanics had been dropping through 2003, and definitely moved up over the last month.

“These two polls show the volatility of Hispanics and tend to reinforce those who feel Hispanics are a swing vote in the 2004 election,” Bendixen said.

In the poll taken in early December, fewer than half of the Hispanics said Bush was doing a good job, and about a fourth said they would vote to re-elect him. [..]

Democrat Al Gore got 62 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2000, according to exit polls, while Bush got 35 percent.
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