I respect and admire his achievements and accomplishments, but I suspect his iconofication by virtue of assassination precluded much criticism which might have fallen to him had he not been thusly thrust into socio-political sainthood.
What he said.
In smaller words.
Timber
Yes, the first step to presidential sainthood is assassination.
Didn't do much for McKinley ....
Okay, CI, time for comic relief! Let's ask them what's presidential about Bush!
Do your best, guys...
Tartarin wrote:Okay, CI, time for comic relief! Let's ask them what's presidential about Bush!
Do your best, guys...
It's that tremdous group of experts with whom he has surrounded himself - oh, I do enjoy myself
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OK!
Um, he's got that roundish office.
As I understand it, Clinton started an ad campagn early in his run for his second term as well. But the ads for Bush need not be sophisticated, as Blatham points out, (laughing and chuckling, funny funny funny) look who populates his base constituency.......... But no ad or all the money in the world can make up for his arrogant incompetence. He has a whole year of rope to go before the election.
Unfortunately the democrats have not come up with a theme or candidate that can defeat the vacuum that now occupies that office. What does that say for the democratic party? In fact what does that say for the American people. Has the Democratic party become so corrupted and splintered that it cannot find a viable candidate? Where is that guy with the lamp? Maybe he can find one?
Sofia wrote:What he said.
In smaller words.
<grins>
Sofia wrote:OK!
Um, he's got that roundish office.
<giggles>
Lola wrote:But no ad or all the money in the world can make up for his arrogant incompetence. He has a whole year of rope to go before the election.
that's what they said last time, too ...
Yes, nimh, well if a person cheats........and if it weren't for Ralph.......but the Republicans aren't exempt from their own mistakes and they're long overdue for their comeupance. Let's not judge based on last time......... You must admit, it was a very slim margin and one little adjustment and the outcome would have been different. Bush's jaw jutting, shoulder swaggering bluster will not hold him forever. Especially in light of his fukups.
The far right doesn't see them as mistakes. The far right seems to see belligerence, swagger, and vituperativeness as positive characteristics. They remind me of the sort who, after realizing their neighbor just bought a better car, go to the corner local and beat up the smallest person they can find to re-afirm their masculinity. There is such an atmosphere of "up yours buddy, I gots mines and if ya's gives me anny lip, I'll bust'yer face!"
Hobit -- I don't know whether you were listening to Morning Edition on NPR this morning, but they were having a Kennedy moment in which, among other things, they interviewed college kids about Kennedy. Most didn't know which party he belonged to. But the most striking thing was the description of... I think it was a class in which Kennedy's "ask not what your country can do for you" speech was read and the kids snickered, thought the concept of "what you can do for your country" was ridiculous.
Tartar, Times have definitely changed.
I also see the democratic party without a rudder. Why aren't the democrats together on some issues important to the American People? I can't remember a time when the democratic party has been so lost one year before the presidential election.
Tartarin wrote:Hobit -- I don't know whether you were listening to Morning Edition on NPR this morning, but they were having a Kennedy moment in which, among other things, they interviewed college kids about Kennedy. Most didn't know which party he belonged to. But the most striking thing was the description of... I think it was a class in which Kennedy's "ask not what your country can do for you" speech was read and the kids snickered, thought the concept of "what you can do for your country" was ridiculous.
Personally, I see that as a positive development. I always viewed that speech as pure nationalism at its most dangerous. I don't howver, feel that individual self interest should be the path chosen. I have always tried to do what I felt was best for my fellow human being.
Do you even vote (or support a cause) against your own interest, Hobit? I have on occasion because I was brought up (I guess) to vote "for the country" not for myself...
That's an interesting, fresh take on the Kennedy speech and may have some validity. But I doubt it was meant that way!
Tartarin wrote:Do you even vote (or support a cause) against your own interest, Hobit? I have on occasion because I was brought up (I guess) to vote "for the country" not for myself...
Yes, of course. I just don't believe in "countries."
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