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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2003 06:44 pm
Very Happy
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2003 06:46 pm
All is cool. I hope. :cool:
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2003 06:52 pm
Quote:
a loud bang, a whirr, a solid "Thunk", a bit of dust, and the patter of debris falling to the floor follow timber's warning shot. "Its a big enough gun, partner" timber drawls, casually holstering his still-smoking piece.


So it was for real! And I thought he was just happy to see you, hobit :-)
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2003 06:56 pm
Laughing
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2003 06:58 pm
nimh wrote:


Ah ... you think the French have 'invented' Italgato, just to make American conservatives look bad?


Yes. Exactly. If you examine closely you will get a whiff of a cheese eating surrender monkey.

His real name is Frogato.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2003 07:01 pm
Perhaps its indicative of a sense of Schadenfrog.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2003 07:02 pm
I think I'll pass on the close examination, thank you ... ;-)

Timber, you seem - and I mean this in the most respectful possible way <winks> - like someone who knows how to place a bet. It turns out, I think, that I, on the other hand, don't understand a thing about the mechanisms of betting. Can you help me out in my "If you were a bookie ..." thread on the how-to of it all? Someone asked how it worked, I offered a guessplination, and I think its all wrong. Thx.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2003 07:14 pm
Sure, I'll be right over.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 02:15 am
Here's a fun read on polls, pollsters, pundits and Democrats:

Quote:
www.washingtontimes.com
Political news filtration
By Mark Steyn
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published November 17, 2003



This week I thought I would say something about America's famous "liberal media bias":
Bring it on, baby.
That's the short version. The long version is that, as some readers may recall, after the midterm elections a year ago, I decided "liberal media bias" was far more harmful to liberals than conservatives. In fact, if I were a Democrat, I would be getting a little miffed at the recurring pattern: Throughout the election campaign, my newspaper produces a poll showing my guy way ahead; finds "typical voters" (choreographers of environmentalist dance companies, etc) anxious to blame President Bush for the worst recession since Herbert Hoover; runs front-page features on how Bill Clinton has flown in to campaign with my man, exuding the rock-star glamour that so enthuses the base, etc.
And then the morning after Election Night, I wake up to discover that, in a stunning upset utterly predictable to everyone but the expert media analysts, the Democrat got hammered.
But not to worry. Just as your rattled Democratic supporter is beginning to feel a harsh jab of reality in what Slate's Mickey Kaus calls the "liberal cocoon," the media rush to lull him back to the land of make-believe, assuring us the Democrat defeat is attributable to strictly local factors and definitely not part of a trend.
Thus, the New York Times on this month's gubernatorial election in Kentucky:
Before: "Kentucky race is test for Bush on economy."
Got that? The Times boys figure there's a lot riding for the president on this one. If the Republican doesn't win, it could presage trouble next year.
After: "The Kentucky race was viewed largely as a referendum on the leadership of Mr Patton ... ."
Sure, the Republican won, but relax, say the Times guys. Nothing to worry about. Strictly local. No national significance here ...


Read the rest if you want. The link is up there at the top.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 02:22 am
Dear Mr. Timber: May I most respectfully point out that you have made no comment about the personal insults made to me.

They do not bother me in the least since I am certain of the logical grounds on which I stand but, as you have yourself commented- "Innuendo and personal comments are not allowed".

I did enjoy your Steyn column. It clearly shows the hypocracy of most of the left wing press.

Thank you for posting it.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 02:28 am
Italgato, I have no quarrel with you, nor do I choose to start one. You have managed some interesting, informative, and even challenging posts. I'd be very happy to see you continue to do the same ... obviously you have the capacity to do so. It'd be wonderful if you demonstrated the will to do so.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 02:38 am
Thank you, Mr. Timberlandko, Sir. I have noted your comments and as I have indicated, I will strive to utilize the comments of experts rather than any comments from me so that the matters of "innuendo" and "personal comments" may be extirpated from my posts.


Again, thank you for your concerns.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 02:39 am
Mr. Timberlandko.

I ask a respectful question. What is schadenfrog?

I am unfamiliar with the term.

Thank you.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 02:44 am
"Schadenfreude": German, loosely translates as malicious joy, gloating, mischieviousness.
"Schadenfroge" The same, but with a play on the slang term for the French. Smile
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 02:50 am
A play on the German term "Schadenfruede", which in the original refers to a malicious delight in the misfortunes of others, more or less, but the substitution of "frog" for "fruede" was a dig at the French geopolitical stance and its proponents, which worthies were earlier referenced in the conversation to which the comme4nt related. It was probably too obscurely clever to be a successful jest; I doubt anyone picked up on it.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 02:53 am
I hope that I will not be considered as disrespectful if I point out that Mr. Hobibob has made an error.

Mr. Hobitbob has defined schadenfreude. I thank him for the effort but I was quite aware of the meaning of Schadenfreude.

Then Mr. Hobitbob pointed out that Shadenfroge was the same.

I would respectfully point out that Mr. Hobitbob did not answer my question.

I did not ask for the definition of Schadenfroge.

If Mr. Hobitbob wishes to review Mr. Timberlandko's post , he would find that Mr. Timberlandko wrote---Schadenfrog--

A different word than that defined by Mr. Hobitbob.

I point this out most respectfully in the interests of accuracy.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 02:53 am
Bonjour, je suis "anyone." Wink
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 02:56 am
Actually Mr. Hobbitbob was making yet another joke (when he should be completing the seminar paper due tomorrow at 1730) by changing the spelling slightly to make it even more teutonic. Mr. hobbitbob apologizes for any confusion this may have caused to the humour impaired. Wink
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 03:00 am
Can we now depart from the philological footnotes and return to the footnotes-to-be?
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Italgato
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 03:23 am
I accpet the comment by Mr. Hobitbob concerning the "humour impared" even though some might consider it personally denigrating.

I respectfully point out that humor utilized in changing some one's name is not, I believe, the kind of humor that would be accepted on these posts and that might even be classified as innuendo.

Personally, I pledge not to indulge in humor with regard to a person's name or any innuendo since it may be regarded as unsuitable on these posts.
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