God's Presence on Earth through His Spirit (Scripture & Photos Examined)

You seem to have Christianity mixed up with Greek mythology my friend.



Tell me Infra, how would one go about establishing what is actually written?

Good bye Franklin. Have a good day.

I was born and raised in the religion of the Crusades, of Torquemada, of Cardinal Pacelli's concordat with WWII Germany. I think I understand more than most about it.

Smiley's only using the accepted renditions of 'hell' in the original languages.

I know that is hard to accept.

I almost always do, M. I'm a very, very lucky guy.

The language and those words were around much longer than Christianity. So was the mythology for that matter.

One would go about establishing what is actually written by actually reading it.

Renditions accepted to suit your dogma, you mean.

The world hell itself derives from Old English hel and helle which refer to the netherworld.

Actually, it's quite easy to accept the fact that you twist the language to fit your dogma.

I bet it's not all good though.

It helps to get these things right, if one is going to play the expert. Hel is the name of a supernatural being whom we might call a goddess. She has great halls in Nilfheim, one of the two primordial regions associated with the description of Yggrasill, the tree of life, and it was a land of ice. The other region, Muspelheim, is a land of fire, and the conjunction of the two produced mists (steam) from which life was aid to arise. Both Nilfheim and Muspelheim lie beneath the roots of Yggsrasill, and only to that extent can they be consider netherworlds. Hel built great halls in Nilfheim, and the dead--only those who did not die honorably in battle--would be sent to the halls of Hel. So, in consideration of pre-christian Norse and Germanic cosmology, telling someone to go to Hel meant that you were saying that that person lacked honor. The realm of Hel got confused into a place name by christian monks, who were never the great scholars they have been cracked up to be. Whether one thinks of Hel as a goddess or a place, it was not a place of punishment or torment. It was simply a place of social oblivion in a warrior society in which men (women weren't even in the picture) hoped to die with a weapon in his hand, so that he could go to the corpse hall Valhalla and fight all day and feast all night until the world was destroyed in the welter of Ragnarok. Ragnarok is cognate with Götzendammerung, the twilight of the gods, because it was said that it would include a final battle in which all the major gods of the Norse/Germanic pantheon would be killed. In most (but not all) versions, the world would sink beneath the water, to arise and be renewed. No source that i have ever heard of makes any mention of Hel and her mansions or halls, and the dead were consigned to her, in regard to Ragnarok--the dead who, after all, had died without honor.

Making the halls of Hel out to be a place of punishment or torment is just another bizarre overlay of christianity. Norse/Germanic mythology is bizarre enough as it is, it doesn't need any help.

I do not disagree, the Greeks were not the first culture to adopt the teaching of a mythical underworld , most of these teachings go back as far as Babylon. I appreciate the insight Setanta,


I agree on this too, but with regard to translation, which bible translation are you suggesting that I read that has not been translated specifically to support Dogma?

That would be none.

Kudos for underlining my point

Yes, I have witnessed many truths in the Holy Bible.

So have I, Patches.

For instance, the Bible mentions that there was an Egypt...and that a Pharaoh ruled over Egypt.

And it mentions that there was a Rome...and a Roman army.

History, archaeology, and science seem to corroborate that those things are "truths"...so I guess we both are intelligent enough to see that if those disciplines can be trusted, there are "truths"in the Bible.

Theological definition of the word netherworld from the Webster's Dictionary;

netherworld: the world of the dead or of punishment after death; hell.

I have witnessed many spiritual truths. I have seen Jesus as a nine year old child. And, I have witnessed the Holy Spirit many times. Have heard the Father's voice. I also have seen an angel three times and heard him calling out my name.

Don't expect anyone to believe you. You've shown your lack of intellectual curiosity by accepting photoshopped pictures at face value. The human brain is a very complex organ, and hallucinations are a lot more commonplace than you would imagine. After reading your posts I find it very hard to believe a superior being would choose you as its prophet, just saying.

Why not bow to the inevitable, and accept that nobody wants what you're selling, not even the two prominent Christian posters, who actually have been your fiercest critics?

What Izzy just said.

And...

...what do all those things have to do with "I have witnessed many truths in the Holy Bible?"

You're right, izzy. Highly intelligent people can be susceptible to hallucinations. Years ago a psychiatrist once told me about a patient of his who suffered an incredible delusion that caused him to experience physical symptoms. (By the way, I'm not sure if this particular case would meet the clinical definition of hallucinations; but it reminds me of them.) His patient was a highly intelligent man who was convinced that every night when he was asleep, agents of the FBI would break into his home and surgically remove his brain to use it to do work for them. Before daybreak they would put his brain back into his skull and would conceal any evidence of the surgery. When he woke up, he would feel utterly exhausted as if he had not gotten any sleep at all.

The psychiatrist soon discovered that his patient had an elaborate fantasy life. He likened it to a large ball of knots. So, he helped his patient to untie all the knots, so to speak, one by one. When his fantasy life had been completely unraveled, he no longer experienced the extreme fatigue upon waking up from a night's sleep. He was cured.

Those photographs are truly of the Holy Spirit and are not photoshopped. I speak the truth. I am not a liar. Yes, it is true that the human brain is very complicated and man does not understand it well. I was not hallucinating and never have I claimed to be a chosen prophet.

I am not "selling" anything. I am merely here to speak truth.