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Joan Rivers Has Died

 
 
Miller
 
Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 01:33 pm

Joan Rivers Dead at 81
Sep 4, 2014, 3:01 PM ET
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PHOTO: Joan Rivers attends the Tribeca Film Festival 2010 portrait studio at the FilmMaker Industry Press Center on April 27, 2010 in New York.
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The world just got a little less funny.

Joan Rivers has died at 81.

"It is with great sadness that I announce the death of my mother, Joan Rivers," Melissa Rivers said in a written statement today. "She passed peacefully at 1:17 p.m. surrounded by family and close friends. My son and I would like to thank the doctors, nurses, and staff of Mount Sinai Hospital for the amazing care they provided for my mother."

Melissa Rivers added that she and her son, Cooper, who is Joan Rivers' grandson, "have found ourselves humbled by the outpouring of love, support and prayers we have received from around the world. They have been heard and appreciated. My mother’s greatest joy in life was to make people laugh. Although that is difficult to do right now, I know her final wish would be that we return to laughing soon."
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 01:54 pm
@Miller,
I liked Joan Rivers a lot.
I remember when she was just starting out.
I first saw her on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson.
She was really funny.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 01:57 pm
@Miller,
I bet that she made some kind of a joke
as soon as she got out of her human body!





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 01:58 pm
@Miller,
like maybe: "that 's quick way to lose weight!"
Miller
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 02:09 pm
@Miller,
Joan Rivers, a Comedic Stiletto, Dies at 81

By ROBERT D. McFADDENSEPT. 4, 2014

Joan Rivers, the raspy loudmouth who pounced on America’s obsessions with flab, face-lifts, body hair and other blemishes of neurotic life, including her own, in five decades of caustic comedy that propelled her from nightclubs to television to international stardom, died on Thursday in Manhattan. She was 81.

Her daughter, Melissa, confirmed her death.

Ms. Rivers died at Mount Sinai Hospital, where she was taken last Thursday after reportedly losing consciousness while undergoing a procedure on her vocal cords at a doctor’s office on the Upper East Side. Doctors at the hospital placed her in a medically induced coma. On Tuesday, her daughter said she was on life support; on Wednesday, she said she had been moved out of intensive care:

The State Health Department is investigating the circumstances that led to her death, a state official said Thursday.
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Vivacious even as a nipped-and-tucked octogenarian, flitting from coast to coast and stage to studio in a whirl of live and taped shows, publicity stunts and cosmetic surgery appointments, Ms. Rivers evolved from a sassy, self-deprecating performer early in her career into a coarser assassin, slashing at celebrities and others with a rapier wit that some critics called comic genius in the bloodletting vein of Lenny Bruce. Others called it downright vicious. But if she turned the scowlers off, she left millions in stitches.
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“Can we talk?” she demanded in her signature call to gossip and skewer — the brassy Jewish-American princess from Flatbush, Brooklyn, and Larchmont, in Westchester County, leveling with the world.

She would take the stage in a demure black sheath and ladylike pearls, a tiny bouffant blonde with a genteel air of sorority decorum. Then she’d stick her finger down her throat and regurgitate the dirt on the rich and famous, the stream-of-conscious take on national heroes and sacrosanct cultural idols.

On Nancy Reagan’s hairdo: “Bulletproof. If they ever combed it, they’d find Jimmy Hoffa.”

On Charlton Heston: “He told us, ‘I got Alzheimer’s.’ Surprise! He’s been wearing his wig sideways for 19 years.”

On Donatella Versace: “That skin! She looks like something you’d hang off your door in Africa.”

On Sandra Bullock’s Bottega Veneta gown at the Golden Globes: “It looked like Prince’s old prom dress.” (And Tina Fey’s Zac Posen: “A decorative toilet seat cover.”)

On Queen Elizabeth II: “Gowns by Helen Keller.” “Nice looking. Not at all like her stamp. Wears her watch over the glove, though — tacky.”

On herself, desperate for a man: “My parents had a sign, ‘Last girl before thruway.’ I’d get an obscene phone call. I’d say, ‘Hold on a minute, let me get a cigarette.’ ”

Nothing was sacred.

On her husband’s suicide: “After Edgar killed himself, I went out to dinner with Melissa. I looked at the menu and said, ‘If Daddy were here to see these prices, he’d kill himself all over again.’ ”

Even the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center were not off limits. “A few days after 9/11,” Jonathan Van Meter recalled in a 2010 New York magazine article, “she called and asked me if I wanted to meet her for lunch at Windows on the Ground.”
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Shocked? Offended?

“Oh, grow up!” she advised.

Successes and Setbacks

A contemporary of Woody Allen and Bill Cosby, she began doing stand-up routines in nightclubs in the late 1950s, and broke through as a guest on “The Tonight Show” with Johnny Carson in 1965. Over the next two decades she became a regular guest host on the Carson show, a Las Vegas headliner and a television star. In 1986, she hit the big time with a $10 million contract as host of the new Fox network’s weeknight entry, “The Late Show Starring Joan Rivers,” competing directly with her old benefactor.

Then came a series of devastating professional and personal setbacks. She was shunned by Carson, who said that she had never informed him of the Fox offer and who apparently considered her disloyal for accepting it. She insisted that it had had nothing to do with loyalty, and that Fox had wanted her because her ratings were higher and her demographics younger than his.

After less than a year on the air, she was fired by Fox when her ratings slumped. Her husband and manager, Edgar Rosenberg, fell into depression after a heart attack and committed suicide in 1987. Ms. Rivers became estranged from her only child, Melissa. Bookings dried up, and her career seemed to be on the rocks.

But, struggling with grief, Ms. Rivers traveled for a time, then fell back on the resilience of laughter and revived her comedy career. As she told widows and other sorrowing women at a lecture billed as a “grief seminar” some years later: Think positive. Make a list. “One, I don’t live in Bosnia. Two, I never dated O. J.”

“There are two kinds of friends, and both mean very well,” she added. “One group doesn’t want you to grieve at all — ‘Come on, come on. It has been a week and a half since you lost Joe. Get out. Enough!’ The other kind never want to see you be anything but grieving. ‘Your husband is dead only eight years, and you’re wearing a red dress?’ ”

Dreaming of the Stage

Joan Alexandra Molinsky was born in Brooklyn on June 8, 1933, to Meyer and Beatrice Grushman Molinsky, immigrants from Russia. Her father, a doctor, did comic impersonations of patients. Her mother insisted on piano lessons and private schools for Joan and her sister, Barbara, who grew up in Brooklyn and Larchmont. Joan attended Adelphi Academy in Brooklyn, Connecticut College for Women and Barnard College in Manhattan, graduating Phi Beta Kappa in 1954 with a degree in English.

Dreaming of an acting career, she worked in the publicity department at Lord & Taylor and was a fashion coordinator for the Bond clothing stores. Her marriage to James Sanger, the son of the Bond stores’ merchandiser, was annulled after six months in the 1950s. She married Mr. Rosenberg in 1965. Melissa was her only child. In addition to her daughter, she is survived by a grandson, Cooper.

Her parents refused to support her acting ambitions, and she struggled for years in office temp jobs while taking small parts off Off Broadway. She became a stand-up comic to support her acting, working in grimy cafes and small clubs, and was fired often. But she liked comedy and was good at it. She developed fresh routines based on her experiences and observations, changed her name to Rivers and got a few breaks.
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In “Seriously Funny: The Rebel Comedians of the 1950s and 1960s” (2003), Gerald Nachman wrote, “Rivers is actually the well-groomed comic granddaughter of Yiddishe mamas like Belle Barth and Pearl Williams, female titans who roamed the Catskills and Miami Beach and who reveled in subversive humor at the expense of both men and themselves.” He added, “When that wore out and she became a star, she turned her death ray on others, verbally abusing women who were thinner, richer and more famous while serving audiences as their new bitchy role model, styled by Oscar de la Yenta.”

There were risks and reversals in her more aggressive style. Her appearance on Jack Paar’s “Tonight Show” gave her national exposure, but audiences and Mr. Paar himself were appalled at her off-color ethnic jokes. Far from a springboard to success, it was a career setback.

In the early ’60s, she joined the Chicago-based Second City troupe, whose improvisational approach, she said, reinforced her confidence, although she preferred stand-up solos to its ensemble work. She had many gigs in Greenwich Village and performed with a musical-comedy trio, Jim, Jake and Joan. She also wrote for CBS’s “Candid Camera,” and in 1966 began a series of appearances on “The Ed Sullivan Show.”

A Big Breakthrough

She broke through on Carson’s show in 1965. They had an immediate rapport. She told gags about her mother’s struggle to marry her off, and about a motorist who ran over her wig and apologized for killing her dog. She soon had bookings at choice nightclubs in Chicago, New York and San Francisco.

As a frequent guest host on “The Tonight Show” in the ’70s, she toned down her acidity for the national audience and often exploited self-deprecation, a theme of her early nightclub work: “A peeping Tom looked in my window and pulled down the shade.” She was so fat as a child that “I was my own buddy at camp; I began to retreat into myselves.”

Her ratings as host sometimes surpassed Carson’s, and NBC signed her as the sole regular replacement during his eight or nine annual vacation weeks from 1983 to 1986. The national exposure made her a superstar. She was on magazine covers, commanded $200,000 for five nights in Las Vegas and was in demand for awards shows, conventions and TV specials.

Besides appearing in Hollywood films, she directed one: “Rabbit Test,” a 1978 comedy about the world’s first pregnant man, starring Billy Crystal, with Ms. Rivers in a cameo as a nurse. Critics hated it. But her volume of madcap fiction, “The Life and Hard Times of Heidi Abromowitz” (1984), was a best seller for months and sold a half-million hardcover copies.

After being dismissed by Fox, she reinvented herself as a writer, producer and entrepreneur. She and her daughter reconciled and made a film, “Tears and Laughter: The Joan and Melissa Rivers Story” (1994). Beginning in 2011 they had their own reality show, “Joan & Melissa: Joan Knows Best?” on the WE cable channel.
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For years Ms. Rivers marketed her own lines of jewelry and clothing on television shopping channels. Beginning in the mid-1990s, she turned up at the Grammys, the Golden Globes and the Academy Awards, first for the E! Entertainment network and then for the TV Guide Channel, poking a microphone into freshly Botoxed faces on red carpets and asking, “Who are you wearing?” In 2010 she began starring on the E! show “Fashion Police,” where she and a panel gleefully critiqued celebrities’ wardrobes.

In the late 1980s and early ’90s, she had her own daytime television talk program, “The Joan Rivers Show”; she won the Daytime Emmy for best talk show host in 1990. She was also nominated for Drama Desk and Tony awards for her performance in the title role of “Sally Marr ... and Her Escorts,” a 1994 Broadway play based on the life of Lenny Bruce’s mother.

A documentary, “Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work,” directed by Ricki Stern and Annie Sundberg, was released in 2010. By then she had weathered 50 years in show business, appeared in thousands of television programs, more than a dozen films and countless nightclubs; written 11 books; raised millions for AIDS, cystic fibrosis and other charities; and amassed a fortune estimated at $290 million.

She lived in a triplex penthouse just off Fifth Avenue overlooking Central Park that featured a ballroom with gilded columns and 23-foot-high ceilings. It was on the market for $29.5 million in 2011, when she told The New York Times: “Qaddafi wanted to rent it for that whole U.N. thing. People said it’s blood money. I said, ‘Oh, I can easily wash blood off dollar bills.’ But they didn’t like it. It was too close to a synagogue.”

NYTimes.com 8/04/2014
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 02:12 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

like maybe: "that 's quick way to lose weight!"


OR:

Upon arrival at the gates to Heaven: "Hello, Hello...Anyone up here"!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 02:33 pm
@Miller,
I wonder what Letterman will have to say.
He walked out on her a few weeks ago.
Miller
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 02:46 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
She was on Fallon's show, earlier in the year and believe me, I'll always remember her joke about a bar pick-up joke. It might be considered dirty, by now words were uttered by Joan. Instead, it's what she did with her hands.

Then, if you read the NYtimes ( above), some of jokes were really, really funny.

She died a very wealthy woman. The net worth has been reported to be in the ballpark of about $290 million.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 03:01 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:
She was on Fallon's show, earlier in the year and believe me, I'll always remember her joke about a bar pick-up joke. It might be considered dirty, by now words were uttered by Joan. Instead, it's what she did with her hands.

Then, if you read the NYtimes ( above), some of jokes were really, really funny.

She died a very wealthy woman. The net worth has been reported to be in the ballpark of about $290 million.
I 'm very pleased n relieved to hear that.
If I understood this correctly, she said that about the time of the suicide,
she found herself to be near destitution. I was very, very SHOCKED.
I was silently wondering: "what cud possibly have happened to the money??"
I 'm glad that she was financially re-habilitated (assuming that I understood accurately).





OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 03:06 pm

She had a merciful human death, meaning relatively quick.
chai2
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 04:27 pm
I can remember Joan Rivers way back when she was a young woman, just starting out.

Wally and I were just talking about that.

While she was always outspoken, as compared to her later years, it was clear she was holding back in the beginning. That's all part of being one of the few females back then. You know, having to watch you p's and q's around the good old boys club.
Then, when she became well known she came into her own.

W. and I both argreed you may not like her humor, but you had to respect her for living by her own code.

As far as Letterman, well I don't like him as a person.

It's like if you were talking to Rivers, and she said something nice to you, it would feel sincere.
If Letterman said something nice, you'd be waiting for the mean flip to it.

RIP Joan
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 05:05 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
that was planned and scripted. Letterman's walk off from her was staged during his show as part of comedy routine. This was due to her walkoff during a CNN interview during a few weeks before. Even that may have been a publicity stunt to promote her book. I saw that interview..and frankly looked like she feigned righteous indignation over her questions about her choosing to wear fur and what-not.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 05:49 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
As far as Letterman, well I don't like him as a person.
His efforts at humor r boring n un-impressive.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 05:53 pm
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:
that was planned and scripted. Letterman's walk off from her was staged
during his show as part of comedy routine. This was due to her walkoff
during a CNN interview during a few weeks before.
O! I did not know that. Thanx for the information.
I deemed it strange
that he abandoned his jacket (presumably including his wallet????) before he left.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 06:10 pm
I confess that "Fashion Police" is/was one of my guilty pleasures.

And I'm not even interested in fashion. I just watched it for Joan's snark. She could out-snark anyone. It was always kind of refreshing to see someone be so unconcerned with political correctness.

I had just recently watched her show about the fashion at the MTV and Emmy awards. She was as mean and quick witted as ever. You would have never thought she was close to death.

I hope when it's my turn to go that it's as quick as her's.
Miller
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 09:41 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Miller wrote:
She was on Fallon's show, earlier in the year and believe me, I'll always remember her joke about a bar pick-up joke. It might be considered dirty, by now words were uttered by Joan. Instead, it's what she did with her hands.

Then, if you read the NYtimes ( above), some of jokes were really, really funny.

She died a very wealthy woman. The net worth has been reported to be in the ballpark of about $290 million.
I 'm very pleased n relieved to hear that.
If I understood this correctly, she said that about the time of the suicide,
she found herself to be near destitution. I was very, very SHOCKED.
I was silently wondering: "what cud possibly have happened to the money??"
I 'm glad that she was financially re-habilitated (assuming that I understood accurately).



I'd suppose that some ( or more ) of that debt came from her 2nd husband.
Miller
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 09:46 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


She had a merciful human death, meaning relatively quick.


She was in a medically-induced coma for about a week and then was transferred to a private room. Being in a private room helped her family and friends cope with the uncertainty of Joan's medical condition and also allowed her daughter to spend the night with her before her death.

Yes, I agree that Joan's death appeared to be merciful and I hope that she endured little or no pain. That's the way death should be.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 10:16 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:
She was in a medically-induced coma for about a week
and then was transferred to a private room.
I see.
I had not been aware
that it had been that long.
I was away at a convention.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 10:21 pm
@Miller,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Miller wrote:
She was on Fallon's show, earlier in the year and believe me, I'll always remember her joke about a bar pick-up joke. It might be considered dirty, by now words were uttered by Joan. Instead, it's what she did with her hands.

Then, if you read the NYtimes ( above), some of jokes were really, really funny.

She died a very wealthy woman. The net worth has been reported to be in the ballpark of about $290 million.
I 'm very pleased n relieved to hear that.
If I understood this correctly, she said that about the time of the suicide,
she found herself to be near destitution. I was very, very SHOCKED.
I was silently wondering: "what cud possibly have happened to the money??"
I 'm glad that she was financially re-habilitated (assuming that I understood accurately).

Miller wrote:
I'd suppose that some ( or more ) of that debt came from her 2nd husband.
What do u have in mind ?
Miller
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 10:34 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I read in the NYTimes(?) that her husband , prior to his suicide, was having financial problems and that these problems may have caused his depression and suicide. ( This may not all be factual, but this is what I can recall ).
 

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