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The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 10:51 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Miller wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

And no wonder Big Mike was so big, he got that way...


True...No wonder that Big Mike was so big. Eating big Macs with one hand , picking his nose with the other hand and sleeping 20+ hours/day.


And to think...there are assholes who would use crap like that to justify thinking he deserved to die.
Its just that we are now SAFER than we were
when still he robbed n terrorized the Earth. We have a RIGHT to be happy!
U r trying to curtail our happiness.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:00 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Complete Bollocks, Trayvon Martin, was killed for being black
U don t think that his slamming Zimmy 's head
against the cement had anything to do with it!?

Is it better for Bollocks to be complete or incomplete ?




izzythepush wrote:
as was a 12 year old kid just the other day.
THAT shud prove to be an interesting turn of events.
I started a thread on it:

http://able2know.org/topic/260976-1
revelette2
 
  1  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:07 am
My biggest gripe with all this is the way they conducted the grand jury. It was just not right. The prosecutor basically had Brown on trial and Wilson was just a witness, giving hours of testimony. This is not the way a Grand Jury proceeding is supposed to operate. Moreover, usually, the transcripts are locked up, but this time they released the whole transcript plus the evidence which was submitted to the Grand Jury. The whole proceeding was a farce designed to show the public Wilson was justified in shooting Brown 12 times.

Furthermore, now it is revealed the police conducted the aftermath of the shooting completely wrong as well.

Unorthodox police procedures emerge in grand jury documents

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When Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson left the scene of the fatal shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown, the officer returned to the police station unescorted, washed blood off his hands and placed his recently fired pistol into an evidence bag himself.

Those actions, described in grand jury testimony, violated protocols for handling a crime scene and securing evidence, according to experts in policing procedures and Justice Department documents.

Wilson’s movements after the shooting were among a number of police actions in the aftermath of Brown’s death that experts said were unusual. The grand jury transcripts revealed, for example, that the officers who interviewed Wilson immediately after the shooting did not tape the conversations. The transcripts also showed that an investigator from the medical examiner’s office opted not to take measurements at the crime scene and arrived there believing that what happened between Brown and Wilson was “self-explanatory.’’

It is unclear how these un­or­tho­dox practices may have influenced the investigation of a shooting that has triggered a national conversation about race and police practices. The grand jury’s decision Monday not to indict Wilson in connection with the shooting death has led to protests nationwide.

Police and forensic officials have not responded to requests for comment over a two-day period.

In the critical first minutes after a shooting, investigators are trained to follow a time-tested process of protecting the scene to ensure that evidence is not compromised, according to the experts and documents. A shooting suspect — even a police officer — must be cordoned off in a controlled area and stripped of his clothing, his weapon secured by investigators, and must be escorted by officers if he leaves.

“An officer driving himself back? Wrong. An officer booking his own gun into evidence? Wrong,” said David Klinger, an expert on police shootings with the University of Missouri at St. Louis who is also a former police officer. “The appropriate investigative procedures were not followed.’’

A 2013 Justice Department manual on processing crime scenes, designed in conjunction with police departments across the country, addresses what experts said was perhaps the most serious breach of protocol after Brown was killed: Wilson washing the blood off his hands.

In wording that is underlined for emphasis, the manual says: “Do not allow suspect to use bathroom facilities, or to alter his/her appearance, including brushing hair or washing hands.’’

The manual spells out in detail how to handle evidence and adhere to what is known as the chain of custody, a meticulous preservation of evidence until it is presented in court. Among the most important aspects, the manual said: securing the crime scene with “minimal contamination,’’ confiscating the weapon and collecting the suspect’s clothing while keeping him in a controlled location at the scene.

Chuck Drago, a former Florida police chief who runs a consulting firm that deals with police practices, described Wilson’s actions in the aftermath of the shooting — especially washing the blood off his hands and handling his own gun — as “totally un­or­tho­dox and unusual. This would be considered very out of line — very, very bad from an investigative perspective.’’

Drago said investigators are supposed to immediately seize a suspect’s weapon, even that of an officer, and not allow a suspect to clean himself up. “They need to make sure he doesn’t wipe off any evidence, destroy any evidence or who knows what,’’ Drago said.

Drago added that the failure to record interviews with investigators and the lack of measurements at the crime scene also are unusual. The FBI had a controversial policy for years of not taping witness interviews, but Drago said that most police departments have been recording interviews for at least two decades.

Mike Zopf, a lawyer and former police training specialist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, said Wilson might have failed to follow proper procedure because it was the first time he fired his weapon. “There may have been a little bit of shock going on,” Zopf said. “Even in the most justifiable shooting, there’s a trauma that’s unfamiliar to the human brain.’’

Jim Towey, one of Wilson’s attorneys, said his client was being careful under the circumstances, taking care to package his weapon in an evidence bag and washing off blood, which was getting sticky and uncomfortable.

“He drove himself back to the station because other [officers] were going to the scene. He realized that he had blood on him. It was getting sticky and it was gross and he didn’t know if it was his or Brown’s,” Towey said. He added: “He immediately packaged his weapon from his possession. He did it himself because there was no one back at the station to do it for him, to the best of my recollection.”

Towey said that although initial interviews with Wilson were not taped, an initial statement was put in writing and other interviews were taped.

The grand jury transcripts also described actions by others in law enforcement that experts considered unusual. An investigator with the St. Louis County medical examiner’s office testified that he chose not to take measurements at the scene because when he arrived, “it was self-explanatory what happened. Somebody shot somebody. There was no question as to any distances or anything of that nature at the time I was there.” (The voluminous documents released Monday show that at some point authorities did take measurements.)

According to the transcripts, the investigator, who was not identified but was described as a 25-year veteran, did not take his own photographs at the scene of the shooting because, he said, his camera’s battery was dead. Instead, he relied on photographs taken by the St. Louis County police

When Wilson returned to the police department after the shooting, no one prevented him from driving himself. No one photographed his bloodied hands before he washed up at the station because “there was no photographer available,” an investigator quoted in the transcript said.

An FBI agent interviewed by the grand jury said he did record his interview with Wilson. The agent, who was not identified, said Wilson washed up immediately after the shooting because he was worried about the danger presented by someone else’s blood, not about preserving evidence.

“His concern was not of evidence, but as a biohazard or what possible blood hazards it might attract,” said the agent, who like other witnesses was not identified.

In the extended interviews, prosecutors questioned police procedures on a couple of occasions, including the decisions by Ferguson and St. Louis County investigators not to tape their initial interviews with the officer after the shooting.

Why not tape these answers, a St. Louis County detective was asked. “It is just common practice that we do not,” the detective said.

Prosecutors also asked why Wilson was permitted to handle evidence. “He had informed me that after he responded to the police station, he had packaged his weapon and then he directed my attention to an evidence envelope,’’ a St. Louis County detective said. Is it customary for the person who was involved in such an incident “to handle and package their own gun as evidence,” the detective was asked.

Not according to the rules of the St. Louis County Police Department, the detective said. But Ferguson may have had its own rules, the detective said. He was not aware of “any policies or procedures they have in place” on the topic, and Ferguson officials have declined to address the subject.


And now there is another young African American shot down by police for carrying a toy gun. Before it is over, the 12 year old is going to portrayed as a huge menacing animalist violent predator deserving to be shot for carrying a toy gun because the black man (even if he is a boy) is scary.



hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:30 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
My biggest gripe with all this is the way they conducted the grand jury. It was just not right


The process lead to a public release of all of the evidence against a citizen. I much prefer the European system stance on state release of information about the accused, basically the state says nothing unless there is a conviction. Your complaints about how the GJ was run and the the immediate aftermath was not conducted ideally because of dead batteries, lack of staff and concern for Officer Wilsons safety are absolutely high class problems. You have been provided with a lot more information than you probably should have been by the state, at the direction of this prosecutor.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:30 am
@revelette2,
And now there is another young African American shot down by police for carrying a toy gun. Before it is over, the 12 year old is going to portrayed as a huge menacing animalist violent predator deserving to be shot for carrying a toy gun because the black man (even if he is a boy) is scary.

How come you are alright with the huge lies being perpetuated in the Ferguson protests? Brown never had his hands up. People are still parading around with their hands up.

You must miss outright racism. You are doing all you can to bring it back.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:40 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
My biggest gripe with all this is the way they conducted the grand jury. It was just not right. The prosecutor basically had Brown on trial and Wilson was just a witness, giving hours of testimony. This is not the way a Grand Jury proceeding is supposed to operate.


The reason for a grand jury is to protect citizens from being charge without foundation for those charges and it would seem given all we know that it serve it purposed in this case.

Sadly that is rarely the case now days but in this case it work just fine.
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:44 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Miller wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

And no wonder Big Mike was so big, he got that way...


True...No wonder that Big Mike was so big. Eating big Macs with one hand , picking his nose with the other hand and sleeping 20+ hours/day.


And to think...there are assholes who would use crap like that to justify thinking he deserved to die.
Its just that we are now SAFER than we were
when still he robbed n terrorized the Earth. We have a RIGHT to be happy!
U r trying to curtail our happiness.



Yes, old NYCity Frankie is trying to curtail our happiness. Run out and buy yourself a big MAC, old Frankie.... We don't care if you eat your self into a coma.
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Miller
 
  0  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:49 am
Mr Wilson shot 12 bullets at Big Mike. Did all 12 bullets actually hit Big Mike ? Were all 12 bullets actually retrieved?

Where were they found? In the body of the deceased or outside the body of the deceased?
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:51 am
@coldjoint,
You guys the answers down pat, pretend the opposite is true, repeat it over and over, then pretend everyone knows it for a fact.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:52 am
@Miller,
Quote:
Did all 12 bullets actually hit Big Mike
4 did, 2 more winged him, 6 completely missed.

Quote:
Were all 12 bullets actually retrieved?
Good question. IDK
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Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:53 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Miller wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

And no wonder Big Mike was so big, he got that way...


True...No wonder that Big Mike was so big. Eating big Macs with one hand , picking his nose with the other hand and sleeping 20+ hours/day.


And to think...there are assholes who would use crap like that to justify thinking he deserved to die.
Its just that we are now SAFER than we were
when still he robbed n terrorized the Earth. We have a RIGHT to be happy!
U r trying to curtail our happiness.



I would never do that, David. You know that.
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hawkeye10
 
  3  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:55 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

You guys the answers down pat, pretend the opposite is true, repeat it over and over, then pretend everyone knows it for a fact.

There are facts. There are theories. And there are lies and innuendo floated to support fantasies.

So far Officer Wilsons version of the story is best supported by the facts, which is why he is not being charged.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:56 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
pretend the opposite is true, repeat it over and over, then pretend everyone knows it for a fact.


You got it bad. That is exactly what you are supporting. It was determined by witnesses that Brown never raised his hands to surrender. And yet the protestors keep pushing a now obvious lie.

And it is obvious it works for you because you are looking for hate that just wasn't there.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:57 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
And now there is another young African American shot down by police for carrying a toy gun. Before it is over, the 12 year old is going to portrayed as a huge menacing animalist violent predator deserving to be shot for carrying a toy gun because the black man (even if he is a boy) is scary.
The question is whether
decedent aimed that object at the police or not.
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hawkeye10
 
  2  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 12:00 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
And it is obvious it works for you because you are looking for hate that just wasn't there.

They did that with Zimmerman too, jumped to the assumption that hate was driving his actions. However there was almost nothing in his life story up till that day to support the story, and no proof in the crime scene evidence that he was driven by hate that day. Still the story gets told.

People believe what they want to believe, even when those beliefs clash with the evidence. This is American 2014. We used to be better.
InkRune
 
  1  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 12:04 pm
If is has not already been noted, Race (our conception of lines between descent) does not exist. Rather, we forced groups of people from certain descent patterns into 'Black' and others 'White'.

:3
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BillRM
 
  2  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 12:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
They did that with Zimmerman too, jumped to the assumption that hate was driving his actions.


Take note in the Zimmerman case that the politically appointed DA was not willing to go to a grand jury. Seem she likely fear the grand jury would issue a no true bill in that case also.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 07:31 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
oralloy wrote:

Such rounds are good at producing hydrostatic shock, but if an attacker fails to succumb to hydrostatic shock, the rounds lack the penetration required to reliably stop an attack.

I kinda doubt that. All the force of the impact is distributed to the surrounding tissue, rather than passing out the exit wound with the penetrating round. If the caliber is sufficiently large, I'm pretty sure that surrounding tissue wouldn't be viable afterwards. But I'm far from an expert on it.

The surrounding tissue in the case of a Glaser is pretty shallow though, and often does not reach any vital organs.

Here is the wound profile of a Glaser:
http://www.firearmstactical.com/images/Wound%20Profiles/357%20Magnum%20Glaser.jpg

And here is the wound profile of a standard handgun hollow point:
http://www.firearmstactical.com/images/Wound%20Profiles/45%20ACP%20WW%20STHP.jpg
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 07:38 pm
@OmSigDAVID,

izzythepush wrote:
Complete Bollocks, Trayvon Martin, was killed for being black

Trayvon Martin was killed because he was preparing to take PCP and break into neighborhood houses, and he attempted to murder the captain of the local neighborhood watch in order to allow his evening plans to go more smoothly.
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FBM
 
  2  
Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2014 08:10 pm
@oralloy,
I was reading elsewhere about the pros and cons of the Glaser. I think the best thing I read was that you'll never know in advance if the bad guy is carrying 6" of fat over his vitals or not. The one guy suggested stacking (alternating) Glasers with regular hollowpoints. It's a moot point for me over here in Korea, though.
 

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