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The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 02:28 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Would you like to also placed a bet on that also as if once more he is cover by civil service protections there is no way he is not going to get his job back as he was fired for PR reasons and that is not a valid reason to fired someone who have such protections.

He did nothing legally or morally wrong during this event.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 02:31 pm
@BillRM,
TonyRM. Really. In your mind he was fired and there's a restraining order against him to be on school property because he's such a nice guy.

I bet your mom used to smack you on the back of the head for being such a mope.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 02:33 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Never knew that other nations did not allowed their police officers to used force to enforced legal orders if need be.

So in Germany when a police officer tell someone that they must leave and that someone refused to do so, does the officer just walk away?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 02:41 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Ok would you like to made a small bet on the issue of if the fired officer is cover by civil service protection he will not be given his job back by any hearing officer?

I don't want to enter in any type of transaction with you. However, I doubt anyone would accept a bet phrased like that. What the **** are you betting on.

I know you're attempting to say he'll get his job back by some sort of court process, but it sounds like something out of Alice In Wonderland.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 02:42 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I also read that both the teacher and the school administer was reassigned and even those there are still charges pending again her the girl can come back to class with a new teacher.

She going to own that school as no matter what she does now who is going to have the balls to stop her?

Too bad for the rest of the students that might wish to received an education is it not.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 02:47 pm
@BillRM,
a) we don't have policemen in schools but teachers (and social workers),
b) outside a school, police might give you a "Platzverweis", that's a legal action in German law in order to ward off a threat to public security or public order. They can carry you away then.

But my "b)" is totally (TOTALLY) different to a situation in a classroom.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 02:48 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
but it sounds like something out of Alice In Wonderland.


Public employees in the US in most states have job rights where they can not be fired even punished without due cause and police and teachers and firefighter and on and on are given their jobs back after being fired by way of appealing those firing to a civil service board.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 02:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Under US law there is no special standing for schools as far as police power is concern.

So in Germany the schools can not called on the police to help deal with out of control students?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 03:00 pm
@BillRM,
Recently, there was a very similar case in a school in my native town.
The teacher sent the boy (who has a junevile mental isorder) off the classroom. The headteacher then expelled him from school.

Parents wrote letters to the editor, started discussions on social media.
Made an appeal to the administrative court. That wasn't accepted (because school law gives the school these rights)
They are now going to my state's Higher Administrative Court.
(NB: all without any involvement of police)
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 03:02 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
This is not my idea of a good learning environment perhaps you should have police in the school.


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 03:03 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
So in Germany the schools can not called on the police to help deal with out of control students?
Control pupils? That's what teachers do. And since a couple of years, social workers deal with it there, might be, school psychologists as well.

If something criminally illegal happens in schools, of course the police is the institution to be called.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 03:11 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Control pupils? That's what teachers do


So a hundred pound female teacher is supposed to control a 200 pound student that had told her to go to hell?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 03:23 pm
@BillRM,
Yes. (They have to study paedagogy/educational sciences here.)

[Teachers don't get the job (or a subject or class) according to their weight here, nor are pupils weight-selected.
But interesting that such created the profession of school policemen in the USA.]
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 03:37 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
From a quick and dirty internet search it would seems that Germany is welling to write off poorer schools instead taking the steps needed to maintain order and a learning environment.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 04:25 pm
@BillRM,
I see you and Coldjoint have made up and you're now posting his videos.

It was only a matter of time.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 05:22 pm
@izzythepush,
A fast google search with such keys words as Germany and schools and riots turn up that interenting video.

Now I am all for hearing that there are not indeed such out of control schools in Germany.

It would seems that some EU nations are walking away from their poor and immigrates schools and immigrates populations.

Now doing the same search for the UK we get......

Quote:


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-17525873

lack of support and opportunity for young people contributed to the outbreak of riots in England last summer, an independent report says.
The Riots, Communities and Victims Panel, set up last year, highlights "500,000 forgotten families".
Poor parenting, an inability to prevent reoffending, and a lack of confidence in the police were also cited.
Schools which fail to teach pupils to read and write should be fined, it said.
The report is just one of several investigating the causes of the riots - which spread after the death of Mark Duggan in Tottenham on 4 August.
The panel publishedits interim report last Novemberwhich said the initial riots had been triggered by the police's handling of Mr Duggan's death.
This second stage of the report was due to be published on Wednesday, but was leaked early.
'Poor parenting'
It said: "Families aren't getting the support they need."
It supported an existing programme to help troubled families, but found overlap with those involved in the riots was limited.
Analysis

By Chris BucklerBBC News
Last summer's days of disturbances followed a fatal shooting by police in London.
But the trouble spread to several other parts of England and this report says the roots of the riots lie in problems shared between those cities.
There are young people on the streets of Salford, Manchester, Birmingham and beyond who will all tell you that unemployment is a trap they can't escape.
However, there are people in those neighbourhoods who insist that those same young people aren't doing enough to help themselves.
The owner of a Manchester shop badly damaged in the riots pointed to the long criminal records of many convicted of involvement in the rioting.
"Crime is their job," he told me.
He pointed at long sentences being the best deterrent, although he accepted finding ways of properly rehabilitating those involved was important.
However, practically helping families to leave what the panel calls 'the bottom of society' will take a great deal of work and resources from public services already facing cuts.
"Government and local public services should develop a strategy incorporating the principles of the Troubled Families Programme to help 500,000 'forgotten families' turn their lives around," it said.
Up to 15,000 people were believed to have taken part in the riots - with the majority of those aged under 24 and with poor academic records, the report said.
The communities the panel spoke to blamed the riots on poor parenting.
Complex reasons
The panel's chairman Darra Singh said: "We must give everyone a stake in society. There are people 'bumping along the bottom', unable to change their lives. When people don't feel they have a reason to stay out of trouble, the consequences for communities can be devastating.
"The causes of the riots were complex and there is not one thing that will prevent them from happening again."
The wide-ranging report called for the criminal justice system to not only punish those who committed offences but also to make sure they do not do it again.
The panel recommended schools which fail to raise pupils' literacy rates to the required minimum standard for their age should face a financial penalty.
It also said they should demonstrate how they are building pupils' characters, and give careers advice to each child.
It made dozens of recommendations including:
Local authorities should flag up young people from the age of 11 who are at risk of becoming unemployed
Government should appoint an "independent champion" to manage conversations between big brands and the government about how to protect children from excessive marketing
Young offenders to be offered a mentor when they finish their prison sentences
Police services should do more to "debunk myths" on issues that affect how people view their integrity, especially on the issue of deaths of black men in police custody.
Police services to review their complaints procedures
It also urged the government to play a bigger role and "provide a job guarantee for all young people who have been out of work for two years or more".
The Met Police were urged to be more transparent about how and why they use their stop and search powers.
The panel said: "In our view, by improving the quality of minor encounters, the Met can dramatically improve their relationships with communities."


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http://www.jewishnews.co.uk/video-jfs-kids-run-riot-break-school-gate-hurl-missiles-and-abuse-headmaster/

Video shows JFS pupils break school gate, hurl missiles and abuse headmaster
May 8, 2015
Untitled-1JFS students ran riot on Thursday after they were evicted from the site when an end-of-year ‘muck-up-day’ turned ugly.

A shocking 12-minute video posted on YouTube, which was removed, before re-emerging on another social media site, shows groups of year 11 JFS pupils running riot outside the school gates after they were removed by staff.

One pupil is seen on camera telling headmaster Jonathan Miller: “F*** you!” Another informs a teacher he can “S*** my b****!” while he points to his groin area.

Later a black security fence is seen being broken open and missiles are hurled into JFS.

The shocking video ends with a student spraying what appears to be party foam on a road sign.

Full article: Police called to JFS as ‘muck-up day’ celebrations turn ugly

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 05:38 pm
I find it interesting when we IE the US had a problem in one of our schools the non-US posters are fast to tell us all that such would never happen in their countries but a few fast google search come up with far more problems existing in their nations schools then in the US schools.

For one thing for all our immigration problems we seems to be a nation that is able to absorb large waves of foreign born people far better then any of the EU nations.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 06:09 pm
@BillRM,
Not as interesting as you making up ****.

Quote:
the non-US posters are fast to tell us all that such would never happen in their countries


Where exactly?

Btw your link to the 2010 riots and a story about a Jewish school aren't exactly examples of pupils being assaulted by staff in UK classrooms
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 06:14 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
interested
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 12:55 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
I also read that both the teacher and the school administer was reassigned and even those there are still charges pending again her the girl can come back to class with a new teacher.

She going to own that school as no matter what she does now who is going to have the balls to stop her?

Too bad for the rest of the students that might wish to received an education is it not.

Gangs are going to be the ultimate owners of our public schools now that these Black Lives Matter goons have made it impossible to control unruly students.
 

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