The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

Oh, gosh, her having a medical mental illness just makes the whole terrible incident just that much more worse. Whatever progress she made which allowed her to be in school has probably evaporated.

Only in extreme cases should you lock the mentally ill away from the rest of society.

It is often better for them and better for the collective. Closing down the asylums has been a disaster, and only partly because not enough services have been offered on the street, which is the claim. It was always a bad idea. Even if we would have done our best to do it well it still would have not worked well.

Her own actions in that classroom was fairly good proof that she should not had been in that classroom to begin with.

Placing in a classroom/program design to meet her needs is not locking her up, it would provide her aid that she seem to need at the same time keeping her from interfering with other students learning.

What is happening now to those that need to be lock up due to mental issues is that we are using the local jails and prisons in the place of those now closed asylums and neither jails or prisons are set up to meet their needs.

Very bad model and we should indeed think about opening up modern asylums instead of warehousing them by way of the criminal justice system.

We also need mental outpatient care for those who do not need to be locked up or who are moving from needing to be locked up to being introduce back into society.

Yes, it is horrible, it is the worst possible place for these people to be. Andyet we have been doing it for 20 years without hardly anyone saying anything. The elites failed us again. Last few years reformers have been raising the issue, but we have not done much. There simply is no place to put people. We dont even have enough beds for emergency mental cases in most places. There is a habit of warehousing them for days in emergency rooms till a bed can be found, did you know that. In my state the state is under court order to do something about the problem of lack of emergency psych beds.

This is not high on my priority list, we having so many other systemic and institutional failures, but we have completely failed in the treatment of the mentally ill. The elite have a lot to answer for.

Lord when some powerful and useful psychiatric drugs came into being our decision makers decided that most of the mentally ill could be treated with them as out patients.

The only problem with that idea is the drugs have all kinds of bad side effects and a lot of the mentally ill would not keep taking them. that along with the facts the drugs was not as good as they was first sold be.

If we could get useful information out of Izzy I would be interested to know if the UK had also had shut down most of their mental hospitals and is having similar problem of warehousing a large percent of their severely mentally ill into jails.

But I am sure we can not get useful information from him and he would just used the question to attacked the US.

In my experience Izzy rarely is aware of what is going on....

Because nothing replaced it. If you want decent education and decent healthcare it needs to be funded. You'd rather have tax cuts for the rich and automatic weapons for the mentally ill.

You should really give up on the idea of locking up everyone who does not fit your narrow parameters, not if you want to bang on about freedom all the time.

You dont know that half of it. I encourage you to learn the rest of it, it is a real interesting story. Ya money is a problem , but a lot of that is because smart money does not want to fund stuff that does not work. You see izzy, what you dont know is that there were giant miscalculations in this plan to empty the asylums,

The first was that people would show up for treatment, makes sense right, treatment makes people better so if it is free they will come and get it. But turns out a lot of people dont. some like living in their fucked up state, some dont like the side effects of the drugs, some dont like losing their independence and a lot never had the life skills to get themselves anywhere often on a tight schedule, and it get worse when they are drunk or stoned constantly.

The other was the families would step in to house those who we were no longer going to put into institutions and that families would get these people to their appointments on time and make sure they took their pills. Turns out that a lot of people dont want to be bossed around by their families as adults, and that a lot of families are not interested in the unpaid labor even if they had the time, and a lot of times they dont.

Every so often someone gets a wild hair and devotes themselves solving this leaving the mentals where they are, and they always run into the same two deal breakers. 1) there is no way to afford in either time or money the cost of rounding up these people each time they need treatment. 2) If we cant get these people into stable home situations we pretty much cant do anything, which is way too often the case.

Would have been nice dont ya think if we had figured this out before we closed most everything down? It would be nice dont ya think if we were talking about this? If we were, oh I dont know, talking about what we are going to do going forwards to solve the problem?

Na, we cant do that. This is America, the "we cant do it" nation.

And this concludes your lesson of the day izzy. I dont think you are half as smart as you think you are, just so you and me are real clear on that.

I bet I know considerably more about your mental health system than you know about ours. Just so you and I are clear, I don't think you're half as smart as I originally thought you were, and I thought you were pretty thick to begin with.

I posted this previously but this seems appropriate enough place to give it another airing.

One thing we do know that girl did not belong in a normal classroom even assuming that the teacher and others had the training to deal with her problems, as while the staff was meeting her needs the twenty or likely more students in that room was not being taught mathematics.

She instead belong in a setting where there was train people with the time and the resources to give her the attention she need without short changing the regular student educational needs.

What you're saying is that education is underfunded, and that if the school had been properly resourced this would never have happened.

I can agree with that.

None of which alters the fact that the police officer in question was deliberately heavy handed and unprofessional.

Where did you get your experiences with psychiatric illnesses, school/classroom readiness etc? How did you become an expert? And when had that been, more recently or years ago?

The girl was a crime victim. The crime is that there is no real treatment of mental illness in this country anymore. Drugs and jails are it. Mainstreaming is the sliver of hope she had and the first person that thousands of mentally ill people get to interact with because of mental illness - a cop - in this case assaults her.

What does this do for her future interactions with cops?

What does this do for her when she is put back in school in the future?

Whatever happened to her due process, her right to freedom from cruel and unusual punishment?

Wrong conclusion TonyRM. The cop proved by his actions he should never be allowed back into a classroom. However a little jail time for assault and battery would be appropriate.

Izzy, aren't you a social worker? Funny how a cafeteria line worker and a person held for questioning regarding crimes against children think they got the up on you.

AP: Hundreds of officers lose licenses over sex misconduct
Source: Associated Press

OKLAHOMA CITY — Flashing lights pierced the black of night, and the big white letters made clear it was the police. The woman pulled over was a daycare worker in her 50s headed home after playing dominoes with friends. She felt she had nothing to hide, so when the Oklahoma City officer accused her of erratic driving, she did as directed.

She would later tell a judge she was splayed outside the patrol car for a pat-down, made to lift her shirt to prove she wasn't hiding anything, then to pull down her pants when the officer still wasn't convinced. He shined his flashlight between her legs, she said, then ordered her to sit in the squad car and face him as he towered above. His gun in sight, she said she pleaded "No, sir" as he unzipped his fly and exposed himself with a hurried directive.

In a yearlong investigation of sexual misconduct by U.S. law enforcement, The Associated Press uncovered about 1,000 officers who lost their badges in a six-year period for rape, sodomy and other sexual assault; sex crimes that included possession of child pornography; or sexual misconduct such as propositioning citizens or having consensual but prohibited on-duty intercourse.

The number is unquestionably an undercount because it represents only those officers whose licenses to work in law enforcement were revoked, and not all states take such action. California and New York — with several of the nation's largest law enforcement agencies — offered no records because they have no statewide system to decertify officers for misconduct. And even among states that provided records, some reported no officers removed for sexual misdeeds even though cases were identified via news stories or court records.


Read more: http://www.wral.com/ap-hundreds-of-officers-lose-licenses-over-sex-misconduct/15023217/

An expert?

Well it does not take an expert to know that having such a person in a normal classroom interfere with the teaching of the other students!!!!!!!!

Second sadly over the 67 years of my life I had known a number of people with psychiatric illnesses, mainly co-workers or family member of co-workers.

They for the most part was not all that useful even as adults in the work place and one ended up killing herself with a gun leaving her daughter motherless, one released a tank of N2O in his Van on a Burger King parking lot in order to get high resulting in his death due to lack of oxygen. In his case sadly leaving two young girl fatherless.

I been told by their care givers how hard it is to get and keep them on on drug regimens and by them or their care givers the bad side effects of those drugs.

So no I am not a expert, just someone who had been around people suffering from psychiatric illnesses.