The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

I'm just going to repeat myself here a little, I agree with you, riots are not foreign workers. Foreign workers are doing just that, working. The situation with riots looting and stealing are coming from people who can't figure out how to do what our foreign WORKERS are doing. More jobs opening up would get more US citizens working and when people have jobs they have less time to riot and steal.

What does the length of time here have to do with job skill level or wages?

Nonsense as American citizens are not repeat not going to be taking the jobs that most illegal workers are doing.

The only result is farmers and such are going to be going out of business for lack of labor.

Footnote the unemployment rate the last time I look was around 5 percents and that is damn need full employment as there will always be a few percent unemployment as people change jobs or move in and out of the work force.

Anyone who wish for a job can get one at least a step or two above what the illegal workers are doing.

Yes indeed I can just see the losers who would riot/looting killing themselves in the fields under a hot sun picking crops at a few dollars a hundred pounds!!!!!!!

Yes Mr.Trayvon Martin or yes Mr. Brown we are going to bus you to fields to picks whatever for what amount to a few dollars an hour at best.

Bingo. Now you get it: police abuse of the public has gotten worse than ever. While their safety has improved markedly, they killing of unarmed, non threatening civilians has gotten very, very, very bad. So bad you think keeping up with it is spam.

There is something wrong and a lot of simple things will fix it.

One is: Stop encouraging a cop wall of silence around violent cops. If we both recognize that less than 10% of all cops ever pull their pieces to return fire, we have admit that there is no reason for all the deaths by police guns of unarmed, non-threatening civilians including CHILDREN.

And do not let police departments investigate themselves. Cops are notoriously non-cooperating with their own IAD on corruption, anyways.

Another: Tamper proof cameras and audio on ALL cops. You'd think if things were so ******* dangerous (besides the cops, that is), all cops would welcome this.

One more: Remove all vestiges of military from police uniforms, particularly since so many cops have never been in the military.

A favorite of mine: Require all cops to live in the location of their employment.

Are more police getting killed? A look at officer deaths
By MICHAEL TARM
Sep. 2, 2015 5:30 PM EDT
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Officer Shot Manhunt

A black ribbon with a thin blue line runs across a Fox Lake Police badge Wednesday, Sept. 2, 2015,... Read more

CHICAGO (AP) — The killing of a veteran police officer north of Chicago is the latest in a string of recent law enforcement deaths. Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz' death on Tuesday triggered a manhunt for three suspects around the small Illinois community where the 52-year-old officer worked. A look at some of the latest slayings and data on other officer killings:

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HOW MANY OFFICERS HAVE DIED?

Gliniewicz was the eighth law enforcement officer shot and killed in the U.S. in the last month and the fourth in 10 days, according to the Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, which tracks officers' deaths so their names can be enshrined on a Washington, D.C., memorial. Steve Groeninger, a spokesman for the group, said four fatal shootings in recent days is a higher rate than usual.

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IS THAT AN INCREASE?

No. Shooting deaths of officers are actually down 13 percent compared with the same January-to-September period in 2014. There were 30 shootings last year and 26 this year. Those figures include state and local officers, as well as federal agents. The figures also include two accidental shootings, Groeninger said. Suicides are not included.

Deaths have declined through the decades. The average number of officer shooting deaths for the first six months of each year — which is how the memorial fund gauges trends — was 62 through the 1970s.

The worst half-year period over the past five decades was in 1973, when 84 officers were shot and killed in the first six months alone. Through the early 2000s, the six-month average fell to 29.

More than 20,500 names are inscribed in marble on the memorial in Washington. They include officers killed in attacks and in accidents from 1791 through 2015.

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WHERE WERE THE OTHER RECENT KILLINGS?

Darren Goforth was shot and killed Aug. 28 in suburban Houston as the Harris County deputy stopped to put gas in his patrol car. Henry Nelson, an officer in Sunset, Louisiana, was shot and killed Aug. 26 while responding to a domestic-violence call. Louisiana State trooper Steven J. Vincent died Aug. 14 after being shot in the head while assisting a motorist.

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DO THE NUMBERS INDICATE ANYTHING?

Groeninger cautioned that it was too soon to say if officer deaths are trending up. "The data doesn't say that yet," he said. He also said there is no clearly identifiable pattern in the killings and no conclusions to draw for now, other than "there are people out there who intend to harm police officers for whatever reason."

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HOW MANY OFFICERS HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY TARGETED?

During the last 12 months, six officers appear to have been targeted specifically because they worked in law enforcement, according to the memorial fund. That includes the Texas deputy, as well as two New York City officers who were shot and killed in December as they sat in their patrol car.

Elsewhere, an officer for the Housing Authority of New Orleans was fatally shot in his patrol car on May 24. In California, a San Jose Police Department officer was killed March 24 responding to a call that a man was threatening to kill himself. A Pennsylvania State Police officer was shot and killed on Sept. 14, 2014, outside a police barracks by someone wielding a rifle.

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WHAT AGENCIES DID THE SLAIN OFFICERS WORK FOR?

City police account for the largest number of officers killed in shootings. Out of the 26 officers killed nationwide so far this year, 17 were on city forces, four were with the county and three with the state. One federal agent and one tribal officer were also killed, according to the memorial fund.

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All homicides have been going down over the last few decades, but there had been of late a spike in police officers shootings and black on black killings are still far higher then any other group in society.

So why in the **** are there more and more cops on the less and less dangerous streets shooting more and more unarmed non threatening civilians including CHILDREN???????

Go Directly to Jail: Punishing the Homeless for Being Homeless

from truthdig:


Go Directly to Jail: Punishing the Homeless for Being Homeless

Posted on Sep 10, 2015
By Bill Boyarsky


READ: Part 1: Why Ending Homelessness Is Political Poison

The main Los Angeles County jails are less than two miles from Skid Row—within walking distance for the mentally ill and addicted homeless men who are arrested for petty offenses and then released back to the streets. Returning to Skid Row, they may be nailed by the police again for any number of offenses, such as jaywalking, refusing to move their possessions from the sidewalk, urinating in an alley or sleeping in a public place.

More than a third of Los Angeles’ homeless are mentally ill; a quarter are addicts; and 21 percent are victims of domestic violence. Many suffer from a combination of these and many other afflictions and traumas. (These figures are from a census conducted by volunteers under the direction of county and city officials.)

This cruel revolving-door process—from streets to jail back to streets—is also a reality in other cities throughout the nation.

“People live in public spaces because they have no alternatives,” John Maceri, who leads Lamp Community—an organization that finds housing for the homeless—told me. “We keep perpetuating the same cycle over and over again. We have to stop punishing people for being poor and helpless.”

He added: “The vast majority ... are just trying to survive. Then to arrest them for that and to punish them seems very cruel.” ..........................(more)

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/go_directly_to_jail_punishing_the_homeless_for_beinghomeless_20150910


Another great idea to stop police shootings of unarmed/unthreatening civilians: stop making mental illness and homelessness a "criminal" matter.

If we can incarcerate more people than anybody else, we can create safe treatment for the mentally ill and get the homeless into homes.

Sometimes I'm wondering if we are heading for small revolutions in these cities who seem to be completely heartless. Who votes for these people who put these kinds of laws in place which arrest homeless people for being homeless? I agree with the one who said if we can afford to arrest and jail all the poor and homeless in an endless cycle, we can afford to house them and treat the mentally ill.

Teapublicans say the problem with the ballot box is the id of voters. I say its the the people who got the boxes prior to and after the voting hours.

If BilRM or his sock, tony, want some documentation, I got oooooodles of it.

http://www.dailyimpact.net/2015/09/11/cops-in-america-safer-than-they-have-ever-been/
Cops in America: Safer Than They Have Ever Been

By Tom Lewis | September 11, 2015 | Politics

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Police stand watch as demonstrators protest the shooting death of teenager Michael Brown on August 13, 2014 in Ferguson, Missouri.

Police stand watch as demonstrators protest the shooting death of teenager Michael Brown on August 13, 2014 in Ferguson, Missouri. If there is a war on cops, the cops in St. Louis County are ready. But where is the evidence, and who is the enemy? (Wikipedia photo)

The notion that there is a “war on cops” being conducted in America — beloved of headline writers, politicians, and cops — is a complete myth. Policing, it turns out, is not an especially dangerous job, nor is it getting more so. If you want to honor someone who goes out there every day and puts his life on the line for you, hold a parade for the person who catches your fish. According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, commercial fishing is the most dangerous job in America. On the Bureau’s list of the ten most dangerous occupations, police officer does not appear. Nor is the trend going the wrong way; fewer cops were murdered in 2013 than in any year in the past generation, and it looks like 2015 will be about the same.

Logging and fishing, number one and two on the most-dangerous jobs list, have on-the-job fatality rates of about 127 per year per 100,000 workers. The rate for police officers is 11. (And that’s the rate for all deaths on the job, with automobile accidents accounting for almost as many as homicides.) By the numbers, it is twice as dangerous to be a truck driver as to be a crime-buster. By the numbers, your risk of being shot if you are a resident of Baltimore is about the same as if you are a sworn police officer.

So how has this mundane reality been transformed into the extreme paranoia now being shared by the uninformed and the uniformed? There seems to be a defensive, and an offensive, component.

The police offense has been to dive into the bonanza of so-called surplus military equipment rolling home from the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, available free to police departments by a special act of Congress. To defend against the “war on cops,” and to avoid being outgunned by drug dealers, departments large and tiny, across the country, have gorged themselves on 30-ton armored personnel carriers, M-16 automatic weapons, flash-bang grenades, night-vision scopes, camouflage and body armor.

When you have a nice new hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Military-style SWAT teams have been used recently to raid barber shops in Florida suspected of operating without licenses, and to enforce liquor regulations among Louisiana nightclubs. Police response to trouble everywhere has more and more come to resemble the kick-in-the-door, kill-’em-all-and-let-God-sort-it-out tactics of urban military combat than the protect-and-defend approach of what we used to call peace officers.

The defensive component has arisen with the recent flurry of police killings of unarmed civilians. The impression is widespread that these killings have sharply increased, but it turns out that no one has been rigorously counting them, and we simply don’t know what the trend actually is. Incomplete statistics analyzed by people grinding various axes indicates the number of such shootings is increasing, especially since all those police departments got all their new toys. The Washington Post counted nearly 500 such shootings in the first five months of this year — a number that stands in stark contrast to the 24 police officers killed in the first eight months of the year. The numbers also indicate that more white people have been killed than black, suggesting the racial component of the problem has been overblown.

Now, none of this is meant to express any lack of respect for professional police officers. The key word being professional. As a lifelong journalist I have shared some sticky situations with police officers, from being abducted by rioters to accidentally arriving at a bank robbery in progress ahead of the first responders, and I learned long ago what professional looks like.

A professional officer knows that his job is to calm excited people, to de-escalate confrontation, to defuse tension and to avoid violence. And he is trained to do just that, prepared for the threats that might arise, practiced in handling them calmly. That is his job, and to expect him to do it when called on is not unreasonable. As they say [irony alert] it’s why they get the big bucks.

When you see a police officer emptying his weapon into the back of a fleeing, unarmed civilian, you are not seeing a professional in action. You are seeing a kind of war, but it is not a war on cops.

LOL! Ok you have a bit of a point there, but crooks and murderers are not the only ones in the picture either. My point is the only reason these farm fields are giving out **** wages is because they know that they can get away with it, because our illegal immigrants are in no position to argue. So basically if we deport, 2 cities worth of jobs open with employers who are desperate to hire, forcing them to pay top dollar allowable while still churning a profit. What illegals where doing for 8 dollars an hour now becomes a 13 dollar an hour job. With the job paying more, more employees pay attention to it. This moves people out of jobs like McDonald's, which maybe Mike Brown or Trayvon Martin would take, or if not than McDonald's has to shell out more to keep up with the new 13 dollar an hour farm job. Either way, when employers are hurting for people more than people are hurting for jobs, it helps the little people.

What I was recognizing is that only a few hundred out of just under a million officers are even involved in your stories. Less than ten percent. Less than five percent. Less than 2 percent. Actually if we gave you a generous 500 cases of "police brutality" and every last one of those cases proved cops were wrong, that's less than .5 percent of our police force that you are talking about.

Other things you were talking about.

Wall of silence needs to be up. BLM and other groups like turning cities upside down before a verdict is even out. The jury and judge are people and people that were elected. Let them do their job without fires, stealing, riots burned business flipped cars, and other people who have nothing to do with the issue live in peace.

Don't let cops investigate themselves? Sure. That makes sense.

Surprisingly I agree with you again with the cameras, I think it would solve a lot of confusion in these cases.

I don't care about the vestige either way.

No to location of employment. Cops need to be qualified, not live where they work. Employment should be done according to qualifications not area code.

BULLSHIT.



from a month ago.

Sorry the **** wages ceiling is control by the fact that the US farmers price to market goods have to be similar to the prices that foreign producers can deliver the same goods.

If the labor is a great deal more for US farmers to get the crops picked then US farmers are out of business.

The US Agricultural market is open to the world.

To sum up it not that simple that farmers are trying to get away with paying low wages because they can it more like they must paid such wages or be driven out of business by foreign producers.

I've heard that a2k is cracking down on sock accounts. Notice how oraloy and cold joint haven't been posting in quite a while?

Word to the wize, hey?