The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You like to use History as an example when it chooses.

Any chance you could explain what you mean here?

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Hitler took inspiration from the genocide of the North American Indian. This is like your nonsense thread about how wonderful America was where you would not accept any criticism or any comparison because none would exactly fit 20/21 Century America.

What are you talking about?

Can you give a quote so I can get some idea of what in hell you are talking about?

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You like to castigate us, now all of Europe is responsible for Nazi Germany, even those of us who were fighting them when some of you were giving the Nazi salute to Charles Lindbergh.

Are you drunk?

When have I ever even come close to this kind of thing?

Get your **** together...and post something that makes sense.

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@izzythepush,

I know that we Germans have got an original sin with our Nazi past, and thus have to quiet and happy that people like Frank allow us to live.

At least I feel a bit better now that we aren't alone.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

I know that we Germans have got an original sin with our Nazi past, and thus have to quiet and happy that people like Frank allow us to live.

At least I feel a bit better now that we aren't alone.

Walter...that was so far beneath you, I'm surprised you stooped to it.

Yes...Europe in general has lots to answer for. European wars have been the bane of the planet for many, many centuries. For any European nation to be giving America too much crap for use of its power...should cause laughs for people who understand history. Because the European powers, when they were "the most powerful"...abused their powers much more than American does now.

Yes, American does abuse its power...I acknowledge that. When certain people are in power, we have abused it tremendously. And I speak out often against our doing so.

But we do not do it nearly as much as you guys did when you were powerful. So I feel comfortable telling you to stash your lectures...because I suspect if any of you were in the catbird's seat once again...you would be at least as abusive as we are....and almost certainly more abusive.

Your history shows that.

And yes, Germany did fall into the abyss that was the Nazi dictatorship and Nazi excesses. They were Germans who carried out the orders to do some of the things done. And there are instances where it should be mentioned.

But for you to suggest I am thinking Germans should not be allowed to live because of that...is pathetic.

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@Frank Apisa,

I'm not the one who's drunk. You keep mentioning pots and kettles. In Europe we don't murder our prisoners, you do. Nothing pot and kettle about that, but you do like to justify everything America does by comparing it to things that happened in Europe a long time ago. Let's try to stick to the here and now for once.

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@Frank Apisa,

Actually I wrote that you allow us to live.

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@izzythepush,

How little you seem to remember about me. I was married to an bi-racial woman and my children are bi-racial as well. Don't play the "if I were black" game with me. I have more exposure to non-white people then most of our pale friends here on A2K and that more than likely includes most of you on the other side of the pond. I grew up in a barrio in the northern burbs of Chicago, I knew Latin Kings and Pstones, you can't question me on issues of race. Have you ever met a real life gang banger?

I support the death penalty because there are truly evil people in this world who do not deserve to live on this planet after the crimes they have committed. I feel no pity for them. The only crime that gets the death penalty here in the US, is murder. We don't kill thiefs or cut off their hands. We don't kill rapists or child molesters, the latter we should reconsider. Death penalty is reserved for murder and usually the more vile the murder the more likely they are to get the death penalty.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Actually I wrote that you allow us to live.

Yes...which presumes we might want not to allow you to live, Walter.

Don't stoop to where Izzy is right now. Most of the time, even Izzy does not stoop to that level.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I'm not the one who's drunk.

Delighted to hear that. Your last post sounded as though you were...which was why I asked.

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You keep mentioning pots and kettles. In Europe we don't murder our prisoners, you do.

We do not "murder" them here either. Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life by another human. Capital punishment MAY be barbaric, but it is legal here...defensible to someone with an open mind...and it is not murder to exact it.

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Nothing pot and kettle about that, but you do like to justify everything America does by comparing it to things that happened in Europe a long time ago. Let's try to stick to the here and now for once.

Oh...you want to discount the last 5 or 6 centuries so you guys can look like angels.

No thanks!

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Have you ever met a real life gang banger?

I don't know what the **** that means. I knew a couple of blokes who shagged the same bird at the same time, but they weren't black.

None of what you've said alters the fact that you're less likely to be a victim of a miscarriage of justice because of your colour.

I reject capital punishment because we shouldn't sink to the levels of those evil people you mention.

Miscarriages of justice are far too common, and the racial bias is very evident. If nothing else that should give cause to err on the side of caution.

Be honest, when you heard of the execution of the child rapist did you greet it in a calm dispassionate manner, or did you give a little jump for joy inside?

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@izzythepush,

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I don't know what the **** that means. I knew a couple of blokes who shagged the same bird at the same time, but they weren't black.

To be honest, most of the gang bangers I knew were hispanic, hence growing up in a barrio. It makes it tough to talk about crime in the US if you have no idea what a gang banger is. You know most of the 500 murders in Chicago a few years ago? Those were done by gang bangers. In fact a majority of the murders in the US are committed in major US cities, which is where you will find the vast majority of gang members. The crime stats for black on black crime? You got it, gang bangers. This isn't to say that white people don't have gangs, because they do and they are just as bad as minority gangs. I see no difference between them and skin color doesn't matter.

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None of what you've said alters the fact that you're less likely to be a victim of a miscarriage of justice because of your colour.

I don't think my skin color plays into much. It has more to do with the type of life I lead and the people I associate with. I don't run with a rough crowd, my friends are comic book nerds. I'm 41 years old, I collect Star Wars 6" Black Series action figures and a few of my friends do as well. I also smoke pot but it is legal here in CO so I'm not breaking the law.

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Miscarriages of justice are far too common, and the racial bias is very evident. If nothing else that should give cause to err on the side of caution.

I don't think the miscarriage of justice is as bad as you think it is here. Racial bias I'm sure does come into play at times but once again not as badly as you think. Once pot is legal in the US, you will see a drop in our prison population. Does race play a part in this? Yes, but only as far as the majority of drug busts happen in major cities and in areas where minorities live because they sell it on the streets and get busted. It's a double edge sword. People want safe neighborhoods but in order to do that the police need to make arrests to stop the crime.

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Be honest, when you heard of the execution of the child rapist did you greet it in a calm dispassionate manner, or did you give a little jump for joy inside?

Which child rapist was executed? When I hear of someone being put to death in the US, I don't jump for joy as much as I just think there is one less bad person in the world to hurt others. I actually have some faith in our justice system. It's isn't complete faith but it is some faith. My biggest problem with our justice system is that fact that we try to use it for rehab of people. Jail/prison is a punishment not rehab. We almost treat our prisoners to good. We have people in prison who get sex change operations or heart transplants at the taxpayers expense, in both cases the people were murderers in prison for life. There are much better people in society to spend that money on.

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@Baldimo,

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Which child rapist was executed?

It was the one Frank was talking about, I don't know the exact details, but it could be any brutal murderer. The point I was trying to make, is not some holier than thou attitude about how you should feel, but I get it. I did a little jump when Bin Laden was killed. And if I'd been following a case about a brutal murderer getting it, I'd probably feel the same. When killers like Fred and Rosemary West got sentenced there a part of me really wanted to see them fry. That's why it needs to be resisted.

Btw, you're totally wrong about prison just being to punish, all that does is create a permanent prison population. You need to give people a way out. Look at John McVicar.

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In the 1960s, he was an armed robber who was tagged "Public Enemy No. 1" by Scotland Yard. He was apprehended and given a 23-year jail sentence. He escaped from prison on several occasions and after his final re-arrest in 1970 he was given a sentence of 26 years. He subsequently took an Open University degree in Sociology and was awarded a BSc first class. He was paroled in 1978.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McVicar

Now I think John McVicar writing books and newspaper articles has to be better than him going back to armed robbery.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

My biggest problem with our justice system is that fact that we try to use it for rehab of people. Jail/prison is a punishment not rehab.

One of the main purposes of prison time here in Germany is "re-socialisation", known as "special prevention".

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ACT CONCERNING THE EXECUTION OF PRISON SENTENCES AND MEASURES OF REHABILITATION AND PREVENTION INVOLVING DEPRIVATION OF LIBERTY
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FIRST TITLE
Principles
Section 2
Objectives of Execution

By serving his prison sentence the prisoner shall be enabled in future to lead a life in social responsibility without committing criminal offences (objective of treatment). The execution of the prison sentence shall also serve to protect the general public from further criminal offences.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

We have people in prison who get sex change operations or heart transplants at the taxpayers expense, in both cases the people were murderers in prison for life. There are much better people in society to spend that money on.

That's of course not different here, because we have a mandatory health insurance.

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@Walter Hinteler,

One really big difference are the prisons that are run for profit that treat the prisoners as slave labour and undercut the honest working man. These people make a fortune, last thing they want is rehabilitation. There goes their workforce.

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@izzythepush,

We don't have such here.
What we do have is ... prison shops, even with online-shops ("clink-shop" is the website for most of our state's prisons).

Our 'distant university' ("Open University") has a study centre in one prison, for all prisons in our state [and a few more states, I think].)

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@izzythepush,

Nothing is more ignorant than straight up ignoring people Izzy. If you don't have an answer for me just say so. I am not racist I was simply getting annoyed that instead of talking about the Wilson case we just switched the subject. I completely admit I was wrong about the use of the n word. Not because I think it is racist deragatory or offensive, but because it makes people stop listening to anything you say. That kind of defeats the purpose of discussion. I am absolutely not racist though. I think that all stereotyping is incorrect. Which is the point I was trying to make about the Wilson case. In any case, ignoring people you don't want to hear also defeats the purpose of open discussion. Meet me on the middle Izzy? I need to be quoted again please.

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@Baldimo,

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Don't play the "if I were black" game with me.

Makes you more "real". You got some contact black on you, right? How white of you. Too bad they weren't brain surgeons, we'd be calling you Dr. Baldino.

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@izzythepush,

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It was the one Frank was talking about, I don't know the exact details,

This is Charles Warner:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHztM7S3bn8pdGJCJ2ZKkvUF44fNjrCCW24i-cZG-AGMYwEEtI

This is Adrianna Waller:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7bOFYUCEAAU_8n.jpg:medium

Warner was tried and convicted of raping Waller and then beating her, breaking her skull and several ribs. She died.

Warner was sentenced to 75 years for the rape...and the death penalty was ordered for the death.

Now you know.

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@izzythepush,

baldino met a gangbanger. BFG. Too bad he didn't meet a teacher or a social worker.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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One of the main purposes of prison time here in Germany is "re-socialisation", known as "special prevention".

Unfortunately we're into the quantity of time not the quality of time with our prison industry in the US.

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