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The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

 
 
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 06:27 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
a trial without the safeguards...and without the chance for the other side to question what is being presented. The Grand Jury does not have the necessary rules of evidence...or the cross examination feature necessary to the kind of decision you are asking about.


Wrong again..."Grand jurors can in some jurisdictions direct questions at a witness. In the Michael Brown shooting death, some grand jurors directed questions to Darren Wilson during his four-hour testimon
http://www.law.columbia.edu/media_inquiries/news_events/2014/november2014/Facts-on-Ferguson-Grand-Jury
Zendor
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 04:28 am
@bobsal u1553115,
http://i.imgur.com/r7jRwQU.jpg
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 07:16 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Quote:
And you do not know what the jury thought...because the case was never brought before a jury


Au contraire mon ami, it was a jury and it was exculpatory evidence!


The only way to determine if it was exculpatory or inculpatory...would be by evaluating it in conjunction with other evidence. Which is what I said.

One shot could be too many.

Eight could be not enough.

But the only way to determine that...is by having a jury hear all the testimony...and deciding.

To assert, as you do, that the number of shots fired in this case is "exculpatory" is absurd.

You are a joker...playing a game in this conversation. And from the thrust of your responses...you must be the kind of cop that gives all law enforcement the kind of questionable name it has right now.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 07:17 am
@giujohn,
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There were about 60 witnesses called during almost 75 hours of proceedings, resulting in almost 5,000 pages of transcript. Most grand juries see only one witness per case: the arresting officer. As a result of the number of witnesses the grand jury took far longer to reach its decision than do most grand juries.



The subject of the grand jury proceeding, Darren Wilson, presented four hours of testimony at the outset of the Grand Jury proceeding.[8] Mr. Wilson was not rigorously cross-examined, while other witnesses were subject to extensive and aggressive cross-examination.



An Assistant District Attorney gave inaccurate and misleading instructions to the Grand Jury at the beginning of the proceeding regarding controlling law on whether officers can kill a fleeing suspect without considering the officer’s fear of life. She cited a Missouri statute that had been overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1985.[9] She corrected the record weeks after citing the wrong statute and long after Officer Wilson had testified.



The prosecutors did not suggest which charges the grand jury should consider, instead leaving it to the grand jurors to decide.



The grand jury’s no true bill decision was announced late in the evening after several public announcements that a decision was imminent.



The transcripts of the grand jury were released to the public immediately after the no true bill was announced. By contrast, grand jury proceedings are sealed in most states and their secrecy is protected by non-disclosure laws that usually involve criminal penalties for disclosure. In Missouri, for instance, § 540.320 of the Missouri Statutes states that “No grand juror shall disclose any evidence given before the grand jury” and provides that “any juror violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a class A misdemeanor.” It is extremely rare for grand jury transcripts to be publicly available.



source
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 07:18 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Quote:
a trial without the safeguards...and without the chance for the other side to question what is being presented. The Grand Jury does not have the necessary rules of evidence...or the cross examination feature necessary to the kind of decision you are asking about.


Wrong again..."Grand jurors can in some jurisdictions direct questions at a witness. In the Michael Brown shooting death, some grand jurors directed questions to Darren Wilson during his four-hour testimon
http://www.law.columbia.edu/media_inquiries/news_events/2014/november2014/Facts-on-Ferguson-Grand-Jury


There is a huge difference between grand jurors directing questions to witnesses...and having a lawyer do it on behalf of the opposition.

If you honestly do not see that...you ought to be in a different profession, because you are not suited to the one you are telling us you have now.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 07:20 am
George Zimmerman Arrested on Charges of Domestic Abuse

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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 09:31 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
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bobsal u1553115
@oralloy,
Still ******* little boys? Your parole officer says you are.

You got class Boob.http://www.alien-earth.org/images/smileys/ic004.gif

Bobsal never posts anything other than horrific name-calling. Best to just put him on ignore.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 09:31 am
@tony5732,
tony5732 wrote:
No.... Killing unarmed people is not ok.

If an unarmed person is in the process of beating you to death with their bare hands, you have the right to fire on them in self defense.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 09:52 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

tony5732 wrote:
No.... Killing unarmed people is not ok.

If an unarmed person is in the process of beating you to death with their bare hands, you have the right to fire on them in self defense.


Absolutely.

IF an unarmed person is in the process of beating you to death with their bare hands, you have the right to fire on them in self defense.

But to suggest that every confrontation that involves a physical element constitutes "the process of beating you to death with their bare hands" could make for a very, very, very messy society, Oralloy.

That kind of thinking may be a slope...and a slippery one at that.


Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 09:54 am
Just want to take this opportunity to mention that not only is Spendius missing from the forum...

...but so is David.

I hope both are okay...and that the absence is temporary. I fear the worst in the case of Spendius...since it has been a very long time. With David, the absence is not of such a long duration...but it is disturbing nonetheless.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 10:03 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
But to suggest that every confrontation that involves a physical element constitutes "the process of beating you to death with their bare hands" could make for a very, very, very messy society, Oralloy.

I imagine someone has developed some sort of legal standard for determining what constitutes enough of a threat. I'm not sure what it is though.

By the way, earlier (I have no idea what thread) we were talking about body cameras for police officers. I had said that I thought audio would also be beneficial, but that I believed they did not record audio at the present. You agreed that audio recordings would be helpful.

I've since seen a news report indicating that such body cameras do also record audio.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 10:21 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
But to suggest that every confrontation that involves a physical element constitutes "the process of beating you to death with their bare hands" could make for a very, very, very messy society, Oralloy.

I imagine someone has developed some sort of legal standard for determining what constitutes enough of a threat. I'm not sure what it is though.

By the way, earlier (I have no idea what thread) we were talking about body cameras for police officers. I had said that I thought audio would also be beneficial, but that I believed they did not record audio at the present. You agreed that audio recordings would be helpful.

I've since seen a news report indicating that such body cameras do also record audio.


So have I.

And I recently saw a police cruiser video that had audio also. I do not know whether the audio was picked up by a receiver on the outside of the car or a device on the arresting officer...and it was difficult (not impossible) to understand. The video was definitely from the cruiser.

I agree...the audio is essential, because video needs lots of interpretation...which can often be biased.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 11:55 am
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HEY, SHARPTON: Muslims Slaughter 1000s Of Blacks In Nigeria, Where’s Your Outrage?


http://clashdaily.com/2015/01/hey-sharpton-muslims-slaughter-1000s-blacks-nigeria-wheres-outrage/
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 12:15 pm
@coldjoint,
You are right that there hasn't been enough media coverage of the situation in Nigeria or Boko Haram but I really do not think it is a black and white issue such as in the US.

Boko Haram

I would have to educate myself before commenting on it, I would suggest you do the same but I doubt you will.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 12:39 pm
@revelette2,

Black lives matter? Now it matters where they live? Got ya.
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 03:43 pm
@coldjoint,
No it matters no matter where, if the ones killed are killed because they are black, then it is ethnic cleansing which is horrible and should be condemned by both Muslims and Blacks everywhere including Sharpton and Obama. I merely didn't want to comment because I don't know enough to even know if that is the reason they are killed. Even if they are just killed because they are not Muslims, it should be condemned as well. In any event, more about it should be in the media.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 04:36 pm
@revelette2,
Its not racism. Its worse, its religious, and of course they all claim God is on their side.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 04:40 pm
@RABEL222,
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they all claim God is on their side.


All of them do not kill. Or are taught to kill. But you wont admit it.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2015 07:10 am
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2015 07:15 am
@oralloy,
Be honest for once in your pathetic life and tell them who started that child molesting ****. You did.
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